Henrik and all, is there a new method for reporting bugs. About a week ago I posted to the list about bbgen core dumping after applying the allinone patch, but never saw a response.

Just wondering if it needs to be posted elsewhere, or if development is being focused on newer versions so bugs to 4.2.0 aren't being investigated.

Thanks, Taylor

Yep that seemed to fix it, thanks very much for the help. You may want to add the make clean part to the web page for allinone patch. I'd be happy to do so for you, but I think I'd need acess...

Thanks again, Taylor

-----Original Message----- From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:henrik at hswn.dk] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 3:44 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Question about reporting bugs

On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 12:37:16PM -0600, Taylor Lewick wrote:

Henrik and all, is there a new method for reporting bugs. About a week ago I posted to the list about bbgen core dumping after applying the allinone patch, but never saw a response.

You did the right thing.

Just wondering if it needs to be posted elsewhere, or if development is being focused on newer versions so bugs to 4.2.0 aren't being investigated.

I admit that 4.2.0 bugs isn't at the top of my interest-list currently.

One thing you should do: Since you applied the patch, make sure you run "make clean; make; make install". The "clean" step appears to be necessary, and we've had other reports - some very recently - that failing to do this will cause bbgen and other tools to malfunction.

Regards, Henrik

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On 3/7/08, Henrik Stoerner <henrik at hswn.dk> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 12:02:25PM +0100, Lennon, Padraig wrote:

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I'm going to ask a question I've been thinking about for a while... Is it about time that bbwin is bundled into the hobbit project as the "official" hobbit windows client? By this I mean providing the bbwin application with the complete hobbit server/client package? I think that Etienne has done amazing work over the last few months in integrating the client with the hobbit centralised server setup.

I don't see any need for that. BBWin is being developed entirely by Etienne, and he has his own schedule for making new releases and improvements. Merging BBWin with Hobbit would make that more difficult, I think.

It is true that with the central configuration that BBWin now has, there will be some more coordination needed between the two projects. E.g. I won't do a release of Hobbit without checking with Etienne first if he has any updates that he wants merged first. But I think on the whole it is better to keep the two projects going separately.

"If it works, dont 'fix' it".

Regards, Henrik

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I was very offended. Shame on you. =P

I'll admit I would like the functionality there out of the box, but that is from a user's perspective. Two developers from two different projects, while compatible, are looking at this as a "shut up and use it as it is" perspective.

Maybe a third person could come in and package it for that purpose? Someone with time on their hands?

Thanks for the great software, the both of you!

On 3/7/08, Lennon, Padraig <Padraig.Lennon at pioneerinvestments.com> wrote:

As I said it was only a question... Apologies if anyone was offended by it..

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*Watches as Henrik shoots down Padraig Lennon*

On 3/7/08, Henrik Stoerner <henrik at hswn.dk> wrote:

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On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 12:02:25PM +0100, Lennon, Padraig wrote:

...

I'm going to ask a question I've been thinking about for a while... Is it about time that bbwin is bundled into the hobbit project as the "official" hobbit windows client? By this I mean providing the bbwin application with the complete hobbit server/client package? I think that Etienne has done amazing work over the last few months in integrating the client with the hobbit centralised server setup.

I don't see any need for that. BBWin is being developed entirely by Etienne, and he has his own schedule for making new releases and improvements. Merging BBWin with Hobbit would make that more difficult, I think.

It is true that with the central configuration that BBWin now has, there will be some more coordination needed between the two projects. E.g. I won't do a release of Hobbit without checking with Etienne first if he has any updates that he wants merged first. But I think on the whole it is better to keep the two projects going separately.

"If it works, dont 'fix' it".

Regards, Henrik

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Pretty sure we all feel the same way here - it's like team one supporting team two's products. It just doesn't work like that. In a world where everyone has all the time int he world, maybe things would be different.

I was more making fun of Padraig's request to "not be shot down" =)

On 3/7/08, Henrik Stoerner <henrik at hswn.dk> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 01:41:12PM -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:

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*Watches as Henrik shoots down Padraig Lennon*

If it came across like that, then I apologize. It wasn't my intention to point fingers at anyone.

Regards, Henrik

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On Sat, Mar 08, 2008 at 10:20:20AM +0100, Ulric Eriksson wrote:

As developer of another Hobbit client, I would prefer the opposite: replace the big switch in hobbitd_client.c with something that allows independent development of clients. As it is, developing a new client requires patching Hobbit or sticking with the old Big Brother protocol.

Agreed, that would be nice. It wasn't a concern back when I wrote the original code, but it has become more pressing nowadays.

There is a way around it, though - you can build a separate hobbitd_myclient module using bits and pieces from the Hobbit code, merged with your own module. It isn't the most elegant of solutions - you'll need to run both the standard hobbitd_client and your own in parallel - but it is a way around it.

There are also some licensing issues with incorporating Hobbit code into your own module - you'll have to release your code under GPL. Don't know if that's an issue for You.

By the way, what client is it you're working on ? MrBig ?

Regards, Henrik

On Saturday 08 March 2008 12:13:40 Henrik Stoerner wrote:

On Sat, Mar 08, 2008 at 10:20:20AM +0100, Ulric Eriksson wrote:

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As developer of another Hobbit client, I would prefer the opposite: replace the big switch in hobbitd_client.c with something that allows independent development of clients. As it is, developing a new client requires patching Hobbit or sticking with the old Big Brother protocol.

Agreed, that would be nice. It wasn't a concern back when I wrote the original code, but it has become more pressing nowadays.

There is a way around it, though - you can build a separate hobbitd_myclient module using bits and pieces from the Hobbit code, merged with your own module. It isn't the most elegant of solutions - you'll need to run both the standard hobbitd_client and your own in parallel - but it is a way around it.

There are also some licensing issues with incorporating Hobbit code into your own module - you'll have to release your code under GPL. Don't know if that's an issue for You.

A plugin interface could solve this, only the plugin would need to be under the GPL.

Hacking up parts of Hobbit, resulting in patches that overlap, and which may never be merged is heading everyone who needs rrd support not provided by Hobbit towards a maintenance nightmare.

Exposing some of the internal hobbit functions in a shared library would have other advantages too, especially if they were (possibly by other parties) exposed to other languages (perl, python) via bindings. I am thinking specifically of configuration parsing, threshold management etc.

Regards, Buchan