Comments wanted - OK to drop BB support in Hobbit ?
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 11:29:58AM +0200, Frédéric Mangeant wrote:
BTW, I expect to release a 4.0.3 version over the week-end with
Do you also plan to release some day bbgen 3.6 (bbgen 3.5 with the 5 patches available here : http://www.hswn.dk/hobbitsw/bbgen/) ?
This brings up a slighty bigger issue.
Since Hobbit grew out of the Big Brother environment, it is still possible to configure Hobbit for use with BB - it is in essence a "bbgen 4.0".
I would like to drop that, since it does make things more difficult for future developments, and I honestly haven't done any testing against BB for some months now. Right now the development focus for Hobbit is the "behind-the-scenes" server functions, but should the focus at some point go towards new features in the user-interface part of Hobbit, it would be difficult to stay backwards compatible with Big Brother in the sense that you can run e.g. the Hobbit version of bbgen on top of Big Brother.
So what do you say - can I drop the BB support and focus entirely on a pure Hobbit environment?
It's still something I decide, but I would appreciate your input. If I do decide to drop BB support in Hobbit, I will wrap it up with a bbgen 3.6 release to close that down nicely.
Regards, Henrik
On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 13:20 +0200, Henrik Stoerner wrote:
So what do you say - can I drop the BB support and focus entirely on a pure Hobbit environment?
Well, I don't see any problem with this, but I would like to see bbclient compatibility remain. I don't think hobbit yet has the right amount of client tests to be able to ignore what BB has. ie, even just the standard BB client works better than the current hobbit version (not that I've tried it, since you keep telling us it doesn't work)... but add to that all the stuff on www.deadcat.net, and, well... you know, thats a lot to try and replicate...
It's still something I decide, but I would appreciate your input. If I do decide to drop BB support in Hobbit, I will wrap it up with a bbgen 3.6 release to close that down nicely.
That'd be nice :)
To be honest, I wonder if the quest version of BB is actually selling/successful... ie, are there still loads of new BB users sprouting up, or is it just old BTF license users who are using/maintaining old BB installations.... We haven't seen any BTF releases, and I've not seen anything anywhere to indicate that there have been any commercial updates/changes either.
Regards, Adam
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 01:20:46PM, Henrik Stoerner wrote:
So what do you say - can I drop the BB support and focus entirely on a pure Hobbit environment?
Absolutely. It will give you some time to work on a BB client replacement as well :-)
Thanks
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So what do you say - can I drop the BB support and focus entirely on a pure Hobbit environment?
It's still something I decide, but I would appreciate your input. If I do decide to drop BB support in Hobbit, I will wrap it up with a bbgen 3.6 release to close that down nicely.
I think that the ability to run with BB as "bbgen 4.0" should be dropped, in order to provide a full GPL monitoring system.
I was asking for a 3.6 release of bbgen because of some BB servers that I won't be able to move to Hobbit soon :-(
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Frédéric Mangeant
Henrik Stoerner wrote:
Since Hobbit grew out of the Big Brother environment, it is still possible to configure Hobbit for use with BB - it is in essence a "bbgen 4.0".
I would like to drop that, since it does make things more difficult for future developments,
So what do you say - can I drop the BB support and focus entirely on a pure Hobbit environment?
As long as you mean BB only on the server side (bbgen), not breaking compatibility with the BB client, I'm fine with that decision.
Tom
On 4/21/05, Tom Georgoulias <tgeorgoulias at mcclatchy.com> wrote:
Henrik Stoerner wrote:
So what do you say - can I drop the BB support and focus entirely on a pure Hobbit environment?
As long as you mean BB only on the server side (bbgen), not breaking compatibility with the BB client, I'm fine with that decision.
Ditto...
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Henrik Stoerner schrieb:
Since Hobbit grew out of the Big Brother environment, it is still possible to configure Hobbit for use with BB - it is in essence a "bbgen 4.0". Drop it, as long as the bbclient still works. For all deadcat-scripts, you can use the bbclient on the same host as hobbit, but the messages must be recordnize by hobbit, because without that, hobbit is only a network-tool, not a real system-monitoring tool. I think, you habe the idea about config and status in mysql etc. That would be great.
Thomas
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 01:20:46PM +0200, Henrik Stoerner wrote:
So what do you say - can I drop the BB support and focus entirely on a pure Hobbit environment?
So far the consensus appears to be that it would be OK, as long as Hobbit stays compatible with the BB clients and Deadcat extensions - and that has always been my intention. Hobbit recognizes all of the messages that a BB client sends, and it will continue to do so.
Thanks!
Henrik
participants (8)
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Dirk.Kastens＠uni-osnabrueck.de
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frederic.mangeant＠steria.com
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henrik＠hswn.dk
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iqbala-hobbit＠qwestip.net
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mailinglists＠websitemanagers.com.au
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rgordonjr＠gmail.com
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tgeorgoulias＠mcclatchy.com
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truecker＠technologie-management.net