Hi Kris,

Thirteen years, and you were one of the fourteen owners of this organisation - you could have pushed whatever you wanted, whenever you wanted. I wish you had. The wait was real, and it is on all of us who held the keys and waited for someone else to do it. You were one of us - which is why I am sorry to see you go. Your seat is removed. The door stays open. Cheers, Bruno

Le 10.09.2026 à 16:55, IO Support a écrit :

I agree that the days of hand coding without AI assistance is quickly fading into the past. Due to this and the years-long waiting for Xymon to get upgraded, I have used AI to build my own modern monitoring server from scratch (including agents), and fully abandoned Xymon.

Please remove me from the Xymon mailing list, and also I can be removed from the Github contributor list.

Thank You, Kris Springer Systems Admin I/O Network Administration

On 9/10/26 3:02 AM, Bruno Manzoni via Xymon wrote:

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Hi everyone,

Here is my feedback on working with AI/LLMs for Xymon:

• We no longer code by ourselves; LLMs do it for us. The real skill now is guiding the AI, designing the architecture, and validating the result. LLMs write code better than even experienced C developers, though skilled individuals—including good developers—are still essential to direct them.
• We still need to write a specification, like an RFC.
• We still need to do reviews to catch problems that a good specification or tests might miss.

All this changes the meaning of being a "code author" and shifts how a team should be built.

Let me know what you think!

Cheers, Bruno

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Nice to see some of us are still around! I think there’s definitely truth in what you’re saying, but that’s not the whole story. To me, LLMs are tools—"stupid" tools in the sense that they don't actually understand what they're doing, they just predict the next token. They will never replace us humans! But they do pack an enormous amount of knowledge, which makes them awesome partners. You don’t need to be an absolute genius; you just pair up with an LLM, and boom—you've got a winning combo. Of course, we still need to learn how to tame the machine, understand its limits, and figure out how to team up with it. That’s actually one of my goals while playing around with Xymon. Xymon’s challenges are complex. Solving these puzzles is way harder than building something small from scratch. You quickly run into the "context" problem: your prompt or the LLM doesn’t have the whole Xymon codebase under its hood, and you can’t just dump all of it in there at once. At some point, the AI loses the big picture. A human can keep track of it (even if we tend to forget things too sometimes!). Still, this is my playground, so come along and play with me and the Xymon code! Don’t think for a second that past developers never made mistakes—trust me, they made plenty! And they didn't have the full picture either. Some features are redundant, and some code breaks other things. That’s just the reality of development, so come join the fun! Per our policy, we always say it takes two people to agree to push some code. I’m still fully convinced this rule is super powerful. Unfortunately, I’ve been pushing a ton of PRs lately simply because there’s no one around to review them. Because of that, I produce a lot of code and have gotten pretty good at making it clean, but I'm honestly not as sharp when it comes to reviewing others' work, just because I rarely get to practice it. Let’s be real: porting existing features isn’t always the most thrilling task, and doing code reviews to test things isn't exactly the most exciting adventure of your life. But I’m sticking to the plan for now! We started implementing Terabithia, and I really want to see this through. All the improvements in that branch are great ideas that solve real-world problems. It’s pure gold. I’ve already explored IPv6, TLS, APIs, CMake builds, better probes, improved graphing, custom tests, and even hooking things up with LLMs. So yes, there is plenty of cool stuff to do—come join the ride!

Bruno

Le 10.09.2026 à 22:08, Michael T Pins via Xymon a écrit :

Roland Rosenfeld writes:

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Maybe I'm too old and pessimistic, but I don't like the new workflow, where IA generates tons of code and comments, that I have to read and review. I understand that this may be the future, but the frequency that it generates code doesn't match my performance of code review. Maybe it's also a problem, that I'm not a C developer. I can read and understand C (and write small fixes), but this usually takes much time. So it looks that the AI outclasses me, which doesn't feel good. That said, the project needs more C developers that are able to review the AI generated stuff... I did another round of testing chatbot generated code a few months ago. It was all still, at best, junior level programmer grade code.

Not only was the code non-portable (it wouldn't even compile on FreeBSD), but it had numerous use-after-free errors, and a variety of other bugs. All in about 500 lines of code. Personally, I find I'm still better off writing the code myself rather than asking a chatbot then having to audit the code and clean up the mess.

This isn't actually surprising - despite what far too many people believe, there is no intelligence in an "AI" chatbot. The code a chatbot generates will never be any better than the code it was trained on, and they were all trained primarily on what they scraped from GitHub. Considering how bad much of the GitHub code is, expecting an LLM trained on it to produce quality code is almost laughable.

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Except this, I still ask myself what all this AI generated code means to the LICENSE/Copyright of the project. COPYING file is GPL-2, most source files are Copyright Henrik Storner <henrik@storner.dk>, but what about the code generated by AI? At least the tests reference GPL-2+, but no copyright or author is mentioned. So can this really be GPL-2+ without a copyright owner? I'm not sure about all this... Considering how an LLM works, there is a non-trivial chance it will generate code at times that is line for line identical to what it was trained on. Who owns the copyright on that code?

All that said, if someone finds using a chatbot to generate code helpful, and someone is willing and able to fully audit the resulting code, go for it.

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