[hobbit] Wanna show off.
Do you mean certain functions, or certain hosts. Either way, we do both and the authentication is done to the AD domain so you use your normal passwords and userid's.
David Peters
+61 2 63913565 +61 4 17863572
From: Denis <denis at crewhub.net> To: hobbit at hswn.dk Date: 01/07/2009 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
I totally agree and have an example : the company where i work. We monitor 4 datacenters with it and it work great. Sadly, hobbit hasn't the possibility to create profiles and granty access to only some parts of the web console. So we are thinking to move on another product, preferably in a model between entreprise and community product. i'm sad we can't wait the new releases of xymon coming... but we need to admit that hobbit, however good it is, has not thoses functionalities yet
Reagds,
Denis
Everett, Vernon wrote: Unfortunately, I agree with Buchan on this.
You need to remember, the purpose of IT is to provide solutions, not run preferred software. And this cuts both ways. You can't run Hobbit just because you like it. But by the same token, your PHB can't run his commercial stuff, just because he likes it. It needs to provide a solution to a business need.
One of the things you might find yourself up against, is that Hobbit doesn't have "Golf days" with free booze, and fancy cocktail parties and product launches with open bar tabs, goodie-bags and other junkets that the big vendors can provide. And, for the morally elastic PHB, this is the clincher, not the quality of the solution.
Good luck.
Regards V
-----Original Message----- From: Buchan Milne [mailto:bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net] Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 5:12 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Cc: Neil Franken Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
On Monday 29 June 2009 08:32:00 Neil Franken wrote:
Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania. He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system. I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this list maybe he will realize the error of his ways.
From a business perspective, there may not be an error in his ways.
Frankly, a business needs to ensure that their requirements are met in a cost effective manner.
So, I would start out from the standpoint that your monitoring tools may not necessarily satisfy the business requirements, and that you are happy to work with him to document the monitoring requirements. Once they are documented, show that you can satisfy all the monitoring requirements with a lower cost, and no businessman will decide against you.
Don't fight, cooperate to show that you take the business needs into account, and have actually satisfied them.
If there are any monitoring requirements you don't meet yet ... identify them and let's see if we can provide options, before you have to report.
I can however note that at least two ISPs in South Africa run Hobbit/Xymon (and Devmon). A recent sporting event in South Africa used Hobbit for monitoring components of the network ...
I can give you some more examples off-list.
Regards, Buchan
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Hi Guys
I do realize that we need to provide business with solutions instead of preffered software. We are a small organization growing fast. So currently I am monitoring 15 servers with Xymon. I have been able to customize xymon to show me SQL user connections, SQL transactions per second and all the other good stuff. However the new HOD has decided that open source is rubbish. He hates it and does not want any open source products on the site. I have approached my CTO about this as it seems we are being forced to use solutions that this guy has some experience with. IMHO use the best tool for the job. Xymon is perfect when I started here there was no monitoring in place. With Xymon's help I took a severely unstable SQL environment to something that actually runs smoothly.
Anyway once again thanks for the input. I just needed to show my CTO that this is not just some small time mickey mouse monitoring system.
Regards
Neil
From: david.peters at dpi.nsw.gov.au [mailto:david.peters at dpi.nsw.gov.au] Sent: 01 July 2009 01:44 AM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
Do you mean certain functions, or certain hosts. Either way, we do both and the authentication is done to the AD domain so you use your normal passwords and userid's.
David Peters
+61 2 63913565 +61 4 17863572
From:
Denis <denis at crewhub.net>
To:
hobbit at hswn.dk
Date:
01/07/2009 12:37 AM
Subject:
Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
I totally agree and have an example : the company where i work. We monitor 4 datacenters with it and it work great. Sadly, hobbit hasn't the possibility to create profiles and granty access to only some parts of the web console. So we are thinking to move on another product, preferably in a model between entreprise and community product. i'm sad we can't wait the new releases of xymon coming... but we need to admit that hobbit, however good it is, has not thoses functionalities yet
Reagds,
Denis
Everett, Vernon wrote: Unfortunately, I agree with Buchan on this.
You need to remember, the purpose of IT is to provide solutions, not run preferred software. And this cuts both ways. You can't run Hobbit just because you like it. But by the same token, your PHB can't run his commercial stuff, just because he likes it. It needs to provide a solution to a business need.
One of the things you might find yourself up against, is that Hobbit doesn't have "Golf days" with free booze, and fancy cocktail parties and product launches with open bar tabs, goodie-bags and other junkets that the big vendors can provide. And, for the morally elastic PHB, this is the clincher, not the quality of the solution.
Good luck.
Regards V
-----Original Message----- From: Buchan Milne [mailto:bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net <mailto:bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net> ] Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 5:12 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk <mailto:hobbit at hswn.dk> Cc: Neil Franken Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
On Monday 29 June 2009 08:32:00 Neil Franken wrote:
Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored
by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania.
He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring
system.
I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this
list maybe he will realize the error of his ways.
From a business perspective, there may not be an error in his ways.
Frankly, a business needs to ensure that their requirements are met in a cost effective manner.
So, I would start out from the standpoint that your monitoring tools may not necessarily satisfy the business requirements, and that you are happy to work with him to document the monitoring requirements. Once they are documented, show that you can satisfy all the monitoring requirements with a lower cost, and no businessman will decide against you.
Don't fight, cooperate to show that you take the business needs into account, and have actually satisfied them.
If there are any monitoring requirements you don't meet yet ... identify them and let's see if we can provide options, before you have to report.
I can however note that at least two ISPs in South Africa run Hobbit/Xymon (and Devmon). A recent sporting event in South Africa used Hobbit for monitoring components of the network ...
I can give you some more examples off-list.
Regards, Buchan
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Every time I see this kind help request, I feel bad that one need to argue/fight alone to use xymon as your system monitoring solution.
In R1, I was preparing a series of slides, in the hope to help one present Xymon's case. This slide project is less important to me now since my site is using xymon. That is why the alpha slides was modified 7 months ago. Anyone willing to help ?
R1: http://hobbitmon.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/hobbitmon/sandbox/tjyang/docs/xy...
T.J. Yang
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:04:26 +0200 From: nfranken at theunlimitedworld.co.za To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: RE: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
Hi Guys
I do realize that we need to provide business with solutions instead of preffered software. We are a small organization growing fast. So currently I am monitoring 15 servers with Xymon. I have been able to customize xymon to show me SQL user connections, SQL transactions per second and all the other good stuff. However the new HOD has decided that open source is rubbish. He hates it and does not want any open source products on the site. I have approached my CTO about this as it seems we are being forced to use solutions that this guy has some experience with. IMHO use the best tool for the job. Xymon is perfect when I started here there was no monitoring in place. With Xymon’s help I took a severely unstable SQL environment to something that actually runs smoothly.
Anyway once again thanks for the input. I just needed to show my CTO that this is not just some small time mickey mouse monitoring system.
Regards
Neil
From: david.peters at dpi.nsw.gov.au [mailto:david.peters at dpi.nsw.gov.au]
Sent: 01 July 2009 01:44 AM
To: hobbit at hswn.dk
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
Do you mean certain functions, or certain hosts. Either way, we do both and the authentication is done to the AD domain so you use your normal passwords and userid's.
David Peters
+61 2 63913565
+61 4 17863572
From:
Denis
To:
hobbit at hswn.dk
Date:
01/07/2009 12:37 AM
Subject:
Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
I totally agree and have an example : the company where i work.
We monitor 4 datacenters with it and it work great.
Sadly, hobbit hasn't the possibility to create profiles and granty access to only some parts of the web console.
So we are thinking to move on another product, preferably in a model between entreprise and community product.
i'm sad we can't wait the new releases of xymon coming... but we need to admit that hobbit, however good it is, has not thoses functionalities yet
Reagds,
Denis
Everett, Vernon wrote:
Unfortunately, I agree with Buchan on this.
You need to remember, the purpose of IT is to provide solutions, not run preferred software.
And this cuts both ways.
You can't run Hobbit just because you like it.
But by the same token, your PHB can't run his commercial stuff, just because he likes it.
It needs to provide a solution to a business need.
One of the things you might find yourself up against, is that Hobbit doesn't have "Golf days" with free booze, and fancy cocktail parties and product launches with open bar tabs, goodie-bags and other junkets that the big vendors can provide.
And, for the morally elastic PHB, this is the clincher, not the quality of the solution.
Good luck.
Regards
V
-----Original Message-----
From: Buchan Milne [mailto:bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net]
Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 5:12 PM
To: hobbit at hswn.dk
Cc: Neil Franken
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
On Monday 29 June 2009 08:32:00 Neil Franken wrote:
Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored
by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania.
He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system.
I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this
list maybe he will realize the error of his ways.
From a business perspective, there may not be an error in his ways.
Frankly, a business needs to ensure that their requirements are met in a cost effective manner.
So, I would start out from the standpoint that your monitoring tools may not necessarily satisfy the business requirements, and that you are happy to work with him to document the monitoring requirements. Once they are documented, show that you can satisfy all the monitoring requirements with a lower cost, and no businessman will decide against you.
Don't fight, cooperate to show that you take the business needs into account, and have actually satisfied them.
If there are any monitoring requirements you don't meet yet ... identify them and let's see if we can provide options, before you have to report.
I can however note that at least two ISPs in South Africa run Hobbit/Xymon (and Devmon). A recent sporting event in South Africa used Hobbit for monitoring components of the network ...
I can give you some more examples off-list.
Regards,
Buchan
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Hi All
Xymon is on and rolling out full time into production here. The new HOD is starting his conversion to *Nix and I am happy that we not spending the money as this translate into a better profit share for me.
Thanks for all the input and help from the various people on the list.
Regards Neil
-----Original Message----- From: T.J. Yang [mailto:tj_yang at hotmail.com] Sent: 01 July 2009 02:24 PM To: hobbit system monitoring Subject: RE: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
Every time I see this kind help request, I feel bad that one need to argue/fight alone to use xymon as your system monitoring solution.
In R1, I was preparing a series of slides, in the hope to help one present Xymon's case. This slide project is less important to me now since my site is using xymon. That is why the alpha slides was modified 7 months ago. Anyone willing to help ?
R1: http://hobbitmon.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/hobbitmon/sandbox/tjyang/doc s/xymon-slides/
T.J. Yang
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:04:26 +0200 From: nfranken at theunlimitedworld.co.za To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: RE: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
Hi Guys
I do realize that we need to provide business with solutions instead of preffered software. We are a small organization growing fast. So currently I am monitoring 15 servers with Xymon. I have been able to customize xymon to show me SQL user connections, SQL transactions per second and all the other good stuff. However the new HOD has decided that open source is rubbish. He hates it and does not want any open source products on the site. I have approached my CTO about this as it seems we are being forced to use solutions that this guy has some experience with. IMHO use the best tool for the job. Xymon is perfect when I started here there was no monitoring in place. With Xymon's help I took a severely unstable SQL environment to something that actually runs smoothly.
Anyway once again thanks for the input. I just needed to show my CTO that this is not just some small time mickey mouse monitoring system.
Regards
Neil
From: david.peters at dpi.nsw.gov.au [mailto:david.peters at dpi.nsw.gov.au]
Sent: 01 July 2009 01:44 AM
To: hobbit at hswn.dk
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
Do you mean certain functions, or certain hosts. Either way, we do both and the authentication is done to the AD domain so you use your normal passwords and userid's.
David Peters
+61 2 63913565
+61 4 17863572
From:
Denis
To:
hobbit at hswn.dk
Date:
01/07/2009 12:37 AM
Subject:
Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
I totally agree and have an example : the company where i work.
We monitor 4 datacenters with it and it work great.
Sadly, hobbit hasn't the possibility to create profiles and granty
access to
only some parts of the web console.
So we are thinking to move on another product, preferably in a model between entreprise and community product.
i'm sad we can't wait the new releases of xymon coming... but we need to admit that hobbit, however good it is, has not thoses functionalities yet
Reagds,
Denis
Everett, Vernon wrote:
Unfortunately, I agree with Buchan on this.
You need to remember, the purpose of IT is to provide solutions, not run preferred software.
And this cuts both ways.
You can't run Hobbit just because you like it.
But by the same token, your PHB can't run his commercial stuff, just because he likes it.
It needs to provide a solution to a business need.
One of the things you might find yourself up against, is that Hobbit doesn't have "Golf days" with free booze, and fancy cocktail parties and product launches with open bar tabs, goodie-bags and other junkets that the big vendors can provide.
And, for the morally elastic PHB, this is the clincher, not the quality of the solution.
Good luck.
Regards
V
-----Original Message-----
From: Buchan Milne [mailto:bgmilne at staff.telkomsa.net]
Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 5:12 PM
To: hobbit at hswn.dk
Cc: Neil Franken
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
On Monday 29 June 2009 08:32:00 Neil Franken wrote:
Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored
by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania.
He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system.
I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this
list maybe he will realize the error of his ways.
From a business perspective, there may not be an error in his ways.
Frankly, a business needs to ensure that their requirements are met in a cost effective manner.
So, I would start out from the standpoint that your monitoring tools may not necessarily satisfy the business requirements, and that you are happy to work with him to document the monitoring requirements. Once they are documented, show that you can satisfy all the monitoring requirements with a lower cost, and no businessman will decide against you.
Don't fight, cooperate to show that you take the business needs into account, and have actually satisfied them.
If there are any monitoring requirements you don't meet yet ... identify them and let's see if we can provide options, before you have to report.
I can however note that at least two ISPs in South Africa run Hobbit/Xymon (and Devmon). A recent sporting event in South Africa used Hobbit for monitoring components of the network ...
I can give you some more examples off-list.
Regards,
Buchan
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