All,
I'm running Hobbit 4.1.2p1 on a Redhat AS 4 server.
I currently have a number of server side scripts that post-process incoming test results.
My concern is a high number of "1984" sockets in TIME_WAIT condition (upwords of 60 on the client at times) The clients are AIX boxes.
Is there any way to tune Redhat/AIX/Hobbit to smooth this out? I know that doesn't sound very technical heh. Just looking for some ideas.
Thanks, Jeff
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 06:11:57PM -0500, Jeff Newman wrote:
I'm running Hobbit 4.1.2p1 on a Redhat AS 4 server.
I currently have a number of server side scripts that post-process incoming test results.
My concern is a high number of "1984" sockets in TIME_WAIT condition (upwords of 60 on the client at times) The clients are AIX boxes.
I dont really understand why you see so many TIME_WAIT connections on the *client*. I could understand if they were on the Hobbit server, but not on the client...
If there is a firewall between the clients and the server, it could be that the firewall terminates the connection tracking state before the final exchange of FIN/ACK packets has completed between the two sides. But then I'd expect it to be in FIN_WAIT_[1,2] ...
What's TIME_WAIT anyway ... from http://www.ssfnet.org/Exchange/tcp/tcpTutorialNotes.html:
"The main thing to recognize about connection teardown is that a connection in the TIME_WAIT state cannot move to the CLOSED state until it has waited for two times the maximum amount of time an IP datagram might live in the Inter net. The reason for this is that while the local side of the connection has sent an ACK in response to the other side's FIN segment, it does not know that the ACK was successfully delivered. As a consequence this other side might re transmit its FIN segment, and this second FIN segment might be delayed in the network. If the connection were allowed to move directly to the CLOSED state, then another pair of application processes might come along and open the same connection, and the delayed FIN segment from the earlier incarnation of the connection would immediately initiate the termination of the later incarnation of that connection."
So TIME_WAIT states should only stay around for a few minutes - I believe a common "2 x max lifetime" is 2 minutes, but this is somewhat OS dependant. Since the Hobbit client only runs once every 5 minutes, I don't understand why you have many of these on the clients.
Henrik
Henrik Stoerner wrote:
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 06:11:57PM -0500, Jeff Newman wrote:
I'm running Hobbit 4.1.2p1 on a Redhat AS 4 server.
I currently have a number of server side scripts that post-process incoming test results.
My concern is a high number of "1984" sockets in TIME_WAIT condition (upwords of 60 on the client at times) The clients are AIX boxes.
I dont really understand why you see so many TIME_WAIT connections on the *client*. I could understand if they were on the Hobbit server, but not on the client...
If there is a firewall between the clients and the server, it could be that the firewall terminates the connection tracking state before the final exchange of FIN/ACK packets has completed between the two sides. But then I'd expect it to be in FIN_WAIT_[1,2] ...
What's TIME_WAIT anyway ... from http://www.ssfnet.org/Exchange/tcp/tcpTutorialNotes.html:
"The main thing to recognize about connection teardown is that a connection in the TIME_WAIT state cannot move to the CLOSED state until it has waited for two times the maximum amount of time an IP datagram might live in the Inter net. The reason for this is that while the local side of the connection has sent an ACK in response to the other side's FIN segment, it does not know that the ACK was successfully delivered. As a consequence this other side might re transmit its FIN segment, and this second FIN segment might be delayed in the network. If the connection were allowed to move directly to the CLOSED state, then another pair of application processes might come along and open the same connection, and the delayed FIN segment from the earlier incarnation of the connection would immediately initiate the termination of the later incarnation of that connection."
So TIME_WAIT states should only stay around for a few minutes - I believe a common "2 x max lifetime" is 2 minutes, but this is somewhat OS dependant. Since the Hobbit client only runs once every 5 minutes, I don't understand why you have many of these on the clients.
Henrik
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I just checked a number of hosts here and none of them had anything like this. About the most I saw was 6 time waits all of which only hung around for 60 secs maybe 90 tops. Even on both our servers we dont have any time waits on the hobbit port, only from the client that sends it stats to the other server but same again minute tops.
Id suggest the same as what Henrik already has so I won't say any more
Allan
Hi,
No firewall in between.
Since the Hobbit client only runs once every 5 minutes, I don't understand why you have many of these on the clients.
I have 7 hosts that I am doing performance testing on. I have moved those 7 hosts to their own hobbit server. On those 7 hosts each host has between 4-6 1 second interval tests.
By isolating them to their own server, that keeps the load off the main hobbit server we have. As we have all discussed previously, there is a difference between monitoring and capacity planning, so I am pushing the limit with hobbit on this.
So when the socket is in TIME_WAIT, is it waiting on some response from the hobbit server then? would increasing or decreasing the maximum life span have any negative effects? I noticed in the alpha notification for the new hobbit it mentioned performace enhancements. Would these help do you think?
Thanks, Jeff
On 4/5/06, Henrik Stoerner <henrik at hswn.dk> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 06:11:57PM -0500, Jeff Newman wrote:
I'm running Hobbit 4.1.2p1 on a Redhat AS 4 server.
I currently have a number of server side scripts that post-process incoming test results.
My concern is a high number of "1984" sockets in TIME_WAIT condition (upwords of 60 on the client at times) The clients are AIX boxes.
I dont really understand why you see so many TIME_WAIT connections on the *client*. I could understand if they were on the Hobbit server, but not on the client...
If there is a firewall between the clients and the server, it could be that the firewall terminates the connection tracking state before the final exchange of FIN/ACK packets has completed between the two sides. But then I'd expect it to be in FIN_WAIT_[1,2] ...
What's TIME_WAIT anyway ... from http://www.ssfnet.org/Exchange/tcp/tcpTutorialNotes.html:
"The main thing to recognize about connection teardown is that a connection in the TIME_WAIT state cannot move to the CLOSED state until it has waited for two times the maximum amount of time an IP datagram might live in the Inter net. The reason for this is that while the local side of the connection has sent an ACK in response to the other side's FIN segment, it does not know that the ACK was successfully delivered. As a consequence this other side might re transmit its FIN segment, and this second FIN segment might be delayed in the network. If the connection were allowed to move directly to the CLOSED state, then another pair of application processes might come along and open the same connection, and the delayed FIN segment from the earlier incarnation of the connection would immediately initiate the termination of the later incarnation of that connection."
So TIME_WAIT states should only stay around for a few minutes - I believe a common "2 x max lifetime" is 2 minutes, but this is somewhat OS dependant. Since the Hobbit client only runs once every 5 minutes, I don't understand why you have many of these on the clients.
Henrik
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Just to clarify, You are basically hammering the clients with short interval tests in order to test performance? If so then why are you wondering about the greater number of TIME_WAIT sockets that are the natural result of many connections? If the tests are being done locally on the clients themselves, sounds like they are doing TCP tests on the external IPs?
Increasing the OS value for TIME_WAIT is not a good idea, as it can break many other things as Henrik mentioned. Seeing the TIME_WAITs is not really an issue...you should see how many there are on our web servers when we do performance testing :)
Note: I'm also unsure of how well of a performance test you can do with 7 clients, when there are people using hobbit in everyday situations with hundreds of clients with a ~dozen tests each.
Just some thoughts -Charles
Jeff Newman wrote:
Since the Hobbit client only runs once every 5 minutes, I don't understand why you have many of these on the clients.
I have 7 hosts that I am doing performance testing on. I have moved those 7 hosts to their own hobbit server. On those 7 hosts each host has between 4-6 1 second interval tests.
By isolating them to their own server, that keeps the load off the main hobbit server we have. As we have all discussed previously, there is a difference between monitoring and capacity planning, so I am pushing the limit with hobbit on this.
So when the socket is in TIME_WAIT, is it waiting on some response from the hobbit server then? would increasing or decreasing the maximum life span have any negative effects? I noticed in the alpha notification for the new hobbit it mentioned performace enhancements. Would these help do you think?
Thanks, Jeff
On 4/5/06, Henrik Stoerner <henrik at hswn.dk> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 06:11:57PM -0500, Jeff Newman wrote:
I'm running Hobbit 4.1.2p1 on a Redhat AS 4 server.
I currently have a number of server side scripts that post-process incoming test results.
My concern is a high number of "1984" sockets in TIME_WAIT condition (upwords of 60 on the client at times) The clients are AIX boxes.
I dont really understand why you see so many TIME_WAIT connections on the *client*. I could understand if they were on the Hobbit server, but not on the client...
If there is a firewall between the clients and the server, it could be that the firewall terminates the connection tracking state before the final exchange of FIN/ACK packets has completed between the two sides. But then I'd expect it to be in FIN_WAIT_[1,2] ...
What's TIME_WAIT anyway ... from http://www.ssfnet.org/Exchange/tcp/tcpTutorialNotes.html:
"The main thing to recognize about connection teardown is that a connection in the TIME_WAIT state cannot move to the CLOSED state until it has waited for two times the maximum amount of time an IP datagram might live in the Inter net. The reason for this is that while the local side of the connection has sent an ACK in response to the other side's FIN segment, it does not know that the ACK was successfully delivered. As a consequence this other side might re transmit its FIN segment, and this second FIN segment might be delayed in the network. If the connection were allowed to move directly to the CLOSED state, then another pair of application processes might come along and open the same connection, and the delayed FIN segment from the earlier incarnation of the connection would immediately initiate the termination of the later incarnation of that connection."
So TIME_WAIT states should only stay around for a few minutes - I believe a common "2 x max lifetime" is 2 minutes, but this is somewhat OS dependant. Since the Hobbit client only runs once every 5 minutes, I don't understand why you have many of these on the clients.
Henrik
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On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 10:27:23AM -0500, Jeff Newman wrote:
So when the socket is in TIME_WAIT, is it waiting on some response from the hobbit server then? would increasing or decreasing the maximum life span have any negative effects?
The TIME_WAIT state is something that the operating system TCP/IP stack handles all by itself. It is a safeguard used to prevent re-transmitted or duplicated packets related to a closed connection from interfering with a new connection that just happens to use the same local portnumber.
According to http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wasinfo/v6r0/index.jsp?topic=/com.i... you can check what the current setting for how long sockets remain in TIME_WAIT state with "/usr/sbin/no -o tcp_timewait". By default, Linux has this set to 2 minutes, but I believe Solaris has a much higher value.
I noticed in the alpha notification for the new hobbit it mentioned performace enhancements. Would these help do you think?
Not with this problem. When the socket is in TIME_WAIT state, the application (Hobbit, in this case) has completely closed the connection. In fact, the process that created the socket may no longer exist. It is up to the operating system to decide when the socket can be removed from the TIME_WAIT state.
The performance enhancements I've put into Hobbit 4.2 could help with one of the other issues that I think you reported - about hobbitd_client using a lot of CPU time.
Henrik
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