[hobbit] Migration to SourceForge tracker?
Instead of sourceforge, how about something like Trac?
I think it has everything your looking for in a tracker, not to mention it can integrate with subversion.
Another option would be if you don't want to host your own tracker is Launchpad
Only issue with Launchpad is that it uses bazaar instead of subverison for a VCS.
-Paul
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:22 AM, SebA <spa at syntec.co.uk> wrote:
Seeing as we are now using subversion (yay!), and moving to a more de-centralised development model, maybe it's time (or after the project namechange anyway) to start using the SourceForge bug and feature-request tracker? (Or another tracker.) This would enable all the developers and users to track the outstanding bugs instead of just Henrik. I've noticed in the past that Henrik is very quick at fixing the critical bugs and core dumps (thanks), but other less critical ones (in trunk) seem to be outstanding for many months. Having a public bug tracker would:
(a) enable users to contribute to bugs via confirmation of the bug, narrowing down of the cause(s) / scenarios, testing of patches, etc.
(b) ensure bugs (and feature requests) don't get forgotten about; (c) more easily allow other developers to create patches; (d) facilitate the release process by being able to see what might need fixing / doing / adding before the next release; (I believe 4.3.0 is about a year overdue, but unfortunately trunk still isn't stable…)
(e) increase the acceptance of Hobbit by users / companies, as it would increase the signs of life of the project (if used properly), the signs of support (in terms of bug fixing), etc.
(f) encourage people posting bugs that someone who might fix their bug might (eventually) see their bug post! ;)
In terms of the stability of hobbit, if new features are going to be added, isn't it time we branched 4.3 off from trunk? (So we don't add new bugs to the 4.3 branch and further delay the release. Or has this already been done?) Personally, I would have liked this to have happened this time last year after Henrik announced 4.3.0 was nearly ready, instead of adding new features since then. What would have happened, I suppose, is the current trunk would have developped into 4.4.0. (If someone particularly wanted a specific new feature from trunk in 4.3, they could backport the patch. This would be facilitated if patches were uploaded to the bug tracker for these new features when, or preferably before (thereby increasing the stability of trunk by allowing testing of the patch first), checking in to trunk.) I expect nearly everyone knows an open-source project that works like this, but Asterisk is one that works well in this way, with hundreds of people submitting patches to their customised Mantis bug tracker.
Kind regards,
SebA
If given voting right, I would vote for using trac to coordinate the hobbit community. sourcefoge looks like has a bigger supersets of features than trac. I like the Statistics (R1) especially. Too bad we (hobbit community) is not totally embraceing sourceforge. Ex, we still have our own mailling list while sourceforge provide this feature.
I can work with either sourceforge or trac solutions, but please lets utilize a solution's features as much as possible.
R1: http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=128058&ugn=hobbitmo...
T.J. Yang
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:07:21 -0400 From: paulehr at gmail.com To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Migration to SourceForge tracker?
Instead of sourceforge, how about something like Trac?
I think it has everything your looking for in a tracker, not to mention it can integrate with subversion.
Another option would be if you don't want to host your own tracker is Launchpad
Only issue with Launchpad is that it uses bazaar instead of subverison for a VCS.
-Paul
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:22 AM, SebA <spa at syntec.co.uk> wrote:
Seeing as we are now using subversion (yay!), and moving to a more de-centralised development model, maybe it's time (or after the project namechange anyway) to start using the SourceForge bug and feature-request tracker? (Or another tracker.) This would enable all the developers and users to track the outstanding bugs instead of just Henrik. I've noticed in the past that Henrik is very quick at fixing the critical bugs and core dumps (thanks), but other less critical ones (in trunk) seem to be outstanding for many months. Having a public bug tracker would:
(a) enable users to contribute to bugs via confirmation of the bug, narrowing down of the cause(s) / scenarios, testing of patches, etc.
(b) ensure bugs (and feature requests) don't get forgotten about;
(c) more easily allow other developers to create patches;
(d) facilitate the release process by being able to see what might need fixing / doing / adding before the next release; (I believe 4.3.0 is about a year overdue, but unfortunately trunk still isn't stable…)
(e) increase the acceptance of Hobbit by users / companies, as it would increase the signs of life of the project (if used properly), the signs of support (in terms of bug fixing), etc.
(f) encourage people posting bugs that someone who might fix their bug might (eventually) see their bug post! ;)
In terms of the stability of hobbit, if new features are going to be added, isn't it time we branched 4.3 off from trunk? (So we don't add new bugs to the 4.3 branch and further delay the release. Or has this already been done?) Personally, I would have liked this to have happened this time last year after Henrik announced 4.3.0 was nearly ready, instead of adding new features since then. What would have happened, I suppose, is the current trunk would have developped into 4.4.0. (If someone particularly wanted a specific new feature from trunk in 4.3, they could backport the patch. This would be facilitated if patches were uploaded to the bug tracker for these new features when, or preferably before (thereby increasing the stability of trunk by allowing testing of the patch first), checking in to trunk.) I expect nearly everyone knows an open-source project that works like this, but Asterisk is one that works well in this way, with hundreds of people submitting patches to their customised Mantis bug tracker.
Kind regards,
SebA
Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/
One advantage of using Sourceforge is that they are hosting it. Is there a similar site hosting Trac??
Ralph Mitchell
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:01 AM, T.J. Yang <tj_yang at hotmail.com> wrote:
If given voting right, I would vote for using trac to coordinate the hobbit community. sourcefoge looks like has a bigger supersets of features than trac. I like the Statistics (R1) especially. Too bad we (hobbit community) is not totally embraceing sourceforge.* *Ex, we still have our own mailling list while sourceforge provide this feature.*
*I can work with either sourceforge or trac solutions, but please lets utilize a solution's features as much as possible.*
T.J. Yang
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:07:21 -0400 From: paulehr at gmail.com To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Migration to SourceForge tracker?
Instead of sourceforge, how about something like Trac?
I think it has everything your looking for in a tracker, not to mention it can integrate with subversion.
Another option would be if you don't want to host your own tracker is Launchpad
Only issue with Launchpad is that it uses bazaar instead of subverison for a VCS.
-Paul
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:22 AM, SebA <spa at syntec.co.uk> wrote:
Seeing as we are now using subversion (yay!), and moving to a more de-centralised development model, maybe it's time (or after the project namechange anyway) to start using the SourceForge bug and feature-request tracker? (Or another tracker.) This would enable all the developers and users to track the outstanding bugs instead of just Henrik. I've noticed in the past that Henrik is very quick at fixing the critical bugs and core dumps (thanks), but other less critical ones (in trunk) seem to be outstanding for many months. Having a public bug tracker would: (a) enable users to contribute to bugs via confirmation of the bug, narrowing down of the cause(s) / scenarios, testing of patches, etc. (b) ensure bugs (and feature requests) don't get forgotten about; (c) more easily allow other developers to create patches; (d) facilitate the release process by being able to see what might need fixing / doing / adding before the next release; (I believe 4.3.0 is about a year overdue, but unfortunately trunk still isn't stable…) (e) increase the acceptance of Hobbit by users / companies, as it would increase the signs of life of the project (if used properly), the signs of support (in terms of bug fixing), etc. (f) encourage people posting bugs that someone who might fix their bug might (eventually) see their bug post! ;) In terms of the stability of hobbit, if new features are going to be added, isn't it time we branched 4.3 off from trunk? (So we don't add new bugs to the 4.3 branch and further delay the release. Or has this already been done?) Personally, I would have liked this to have happened this time last year after Henrik announced 4.3.0 was nearly ready, instead of adding new features since then. What would have happened, I suppose, is the current trunk would have developped into 4.4.0. (If someone particularly wanted a specific new feature from trunk in 4.3, they could backport the patch. This would be facilitated if patches were uploaded to the bug tracker for these new features when, or preferably before (thereby increasing the stability of trunk by allowing testing of the patch first), checking in to trunk.) I expect nearly everyone knows an open-source project that works like this, but Asterisk is one that works well in this way, with hundreds of people submitting patches to their customised Mantis bug tracker. Kind regards, SebA
Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows(R). Make your smash hit<http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/>
SF provides Trac and mailing lists as a free service for using them. Integrates with SVN as well for bug tracking, I believe.
Stewart
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Ralph Mitchell <ralphmitchell at gmail.com>wrote:
One advantage of using Sourceforge is that they are hosting it. Is there a similar site hosting Trac??
Ralph Mitchell
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:01 AM, T.J. Yang <tj_yang at hotmail.com> wrote:
If given voting right, I would vote for using trac to coordinate the hobbit community. sourcefoge looks like has a bigger supersets of features than trac. I like the Statistics (R1) especially. Too bad we (hobbit community) is not totally embraceing sourceforge.* *Ex, we still have our own mailling list while sourceforge provide this feature.*
*I can work with either sourceforge or trac solutions, but please lets utilize a solution's features as much as possible.*
T.J. Yang
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:07:21 -0400 From: paulehr at gmail.com To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Migration to SourceForge tracker?
Instead of sourceforge, how about something like Trac?
I think it has everything your looking for in a tracker, not to mention it can integrate with subversion.
Another option would be if you don't want to host your own tracker is Launchpad
Only issue with Launchpad is that it uses bazaar instead of subverison for a VCS.
-Paul
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:22 AM, SebA <spa at syntec.co.uk> wrote:
Seeing as we are now using subversion (yay!), and moving to a more de-centralised development model, maybe it's time (or after the project namechange anyway) to start using the SourceForge bug and feature-request tracker? (Or another tracker.) This would enable all the developers and users to track the outstanding bugs instead of just Henrik. I've noticed in the past that Henrik is very quick at fixing the critical bugs and core dumps (thanks), but other less critical ones (in trunk) seem to be outstanding for many months. Having a public bug tracker would: (a) enable users to contribute to bugs via confirmation of the bug, narrowing down of the cause(s) / scenarios, testing of patches, etc. (b) ensure bugs (and feature requests) don't get forgotten about; (c) more easily allow other developers to create patches; (d) facilitate the release process by being able to see what might need fixing / doing / adding before the next release; (I believe 4.3.0 is about a year overdue, but unfortunately trunk still isn't stable…) (e) increase the acceptance of Hobbit by users / companies, as it would increase the signs of life of the project (if used properly), the signs of support (in terms of bug fixing), etc. (f) encourage people posting bugs that someone who might fix their bug might (eventually) see their bug post! ;) In terms of the stability of hobbit, if new features are going to be added, isn't it time we branched 4.3 off from trunk? (So we don't add new bugs to the 4.3 branch and further delay the release. Or has this already been done?) Personally, I would have liked this to have happened this time last year after Henrik announced 4.3.0 was nearly ready, instead of adding new features since then. What would have happened, I suppose, is the current trunk would have developped into 4.4.0. (If someone particularly wanted a specific new feature from trunk in 4.3, they could backport the patch. This would be facilitated if patches were uploaded to the bug tracker for these new features when, or preferably before (thereby increasing the stability of trunk by allowing testing of the patch first), checking in to trunk.) I expect nearly everyone knows an open-source project that works like this, but Asterisk is one that works well in this way, with hundreds of people submitting patches to their customised Mantis bug tracker. Kind regards, SebA
Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows(R). Make your smash hit<http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/>
-- Stewart
You only lose what you cling to.
nope, there is no free trac hosting site to my knowledge.
T.J. Yang
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:11:31 -0500 From: ralphmitchell at gmail.com To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Migration to SourceForge tracker?
One advantage of using Sourceforge is that they are hosting it. Is there a similar site hosting Trac??
Ralph Mitchell
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:01 AM, T.J. Yang <tj_yang at hotmail.com> wrote:
If given voting right, I would vote for using trac to coordinate the hobbit community. sourcefoge looks like has a bigger supersets of features than trac. I like the Statistics (R1) especially. Too bad we (hobbit community) is not totally embraceing sourceforge. Ex, we still have our own mailling list while sourceforge provide this feature.
I can work with either sourceforge or trac solutions, but please lets utilize a solution's features as much as possible.
R1: http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=128058&ugn=hobbitmo...
T.J. Yang
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:07:21 -0400 From: paulehr at gmail.com To: hobbit at hswn.dk
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Migration to SourceForge tracker?
Instead of sourceforge, how about something like Trac?
I think it has everything your looking for in a tracker, not to mention it can integrate with subversion.
Another option would be if you don't want to host your own tracker is Launchpad
Only issue with Launchpad is that it uses bazaar instead of subverison for a VCS.
-Paul
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:22 AM, SebA <spa at syntec.co.uk> wrote:
Seeing as we are now using subversion (yay!), and moving to a more de-centralised development model, maybe it's time (or after the project namechange anyway) to start using the SourceForge bug and feature-request tracker? (Or another tracker.) This would enable all the developers and users to track the outstanding bugs instead of just Henrik. I've noticed in the past that Henrik is very quick at fixing the critical bugs and core dumps (thanks), but other less critical ones (in trunk) seem to be outstanding for many months. Having a public bug tracker would:
(a) enable users to contribute to bugs via confirmation of the bug, narrowing down of the cause(s) / scenarios, testing of patches, etc.
(b) ensure bugs (and feature requests) don't get forgotten about;
(c) more easily allow other developers to create patches;
(d) facilitate the release process by being able to see what might need fixing / doing / adding before the next release; (I believe 4.3.0 is about a year overdue, but unfortunately trunk still isn't stable…)
(e) increase the acceptance of Hobbit by users / companies, as it would increase the signs of life of the project (if used properly), the signs of support (in terms of bug fixing), etc.
(f) encourage people posting bugs that someone who might fix their bug might (eventually) see their bug post! ;)
In terms of the stability of hobbit, if new features are going to be added, isn't it time we branched 4.3 off from trunk? (So we don't add new bugs to the 4.3 branch and further delay the release. Or has this already been done?) Personally, I would have liked this to have happened this time last year after Henrik announced 4.3.0 was nearly ready, instead of adding new features since then. What would have happened, I suppose, is the current trunk would have developped into 4.4.0. (If someone particularly wanted a specific new feature from trunk in 4.3, they could backport the patch. This would be facilitated if patches were uploaded to the bug tracker for these new features when, or preferably before (thereby increasing the stability of trunk by allowing testing of the patch first), checking in to trunk.) I expect nearly everyone knows an open-source project that works like this, but Asterisk is one that works well in this way, with hundreds of people submitting patches to their customised Mantis bug tracker.
Kind regards,
SebA
Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®. Make your smash hit
See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008
correct... I was confusing tracker for Trac.
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:02 AM, T.J. Yang <tj_yang at hotmail.com> wrote:
nope, there is no free trac hosting site to my knowledge.
T.J. Yang
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:11:31 -0500 From: ralphmitchell at gmail.com
To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Migration to SourceForge tracker?
One advantage of using Sourceforge is that they are hosting it. Is there a similar site hosting Trac??
Ralph Mitchell
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:01 AM, T.J. Yang <tj_yang at hotmail.com> wrote:
If given voting right, I would vote for using trac to coordinate the hobbit community. sourcefoge looks like has a bigger supersets of features than trac. I like the Statistics (R1) especially. Too bad we (hobbit community) is not totally embraceing sourceforge.* *Ex, we still have our own mailling list while sourceforge provide this feature.*
*I can work with either sourceforge or trac solutions, but please lets utilize a solution's features as much as possible.*
T.J. Yang
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:07:21 -0400 From: paulehr at gmail.com To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Migration to SourceForge tracker?
Instead of sourceforge, how about something like Trac?
I think it has everything your looking for in a tracker, not to mention it can integrate with subversion.
Another option would be if you don't want to host your own tracker is Launchpad
Only issue with Launchpad is that it uses bazaar instead of subverison for a VCS.
-Paul
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:22 AM, SebA <spa at syntec.co.uk> wrote:
Seeing as we are now using subversion (yay!), and moving to a more de-centralised development model, maybe it's time (or after the project namechange anyway) to start using the SourceForge bug and feature-request tracker? (Or another tracker.) This would enable all the developers and users to track the outstanding bugs instead of just Henrik. I've noticed in the past that Henrik is very quick at fixing the critical bugs and core dumps (thanks), but other less critical ones (in trunk) seem to be outstanding for many months. Having a public bug tracker would: (a) enable users to contribute to bugs via confirmation of the bug, narrowing down of the cause(s) / scenarios, testing of patches, etc. (b) ensure bugs (and feature requests) don't get forgotten about; (c) more easily allow other developers to create patches; (d) facilitate the release process by being able to see what might need fixing / doing / adding before the next release; (I believe 4.3.0 is about a year overdue, but unfortunately trunk still isn't stable…) (e) increase the acceptance of Hobbit by users / companies, as it would increase the signs of life of the project (if used properly), the signs of support (in terms of bug fixing), etc. (f) encourage people posting bugs that someone who might fix their bug might (eventually) see their bug post! ;) In terms of the stability of hobbit, if new features are going to be added, isn't it time we branched 4.3 off from trunk? (So we don't add new bugs to the 4.3 branch and further delay the release. Or has this already been done?) Personally, I would have liked this to have happened this time last year after Henrik announced 4.3.0 was nearly ready, instead of adding new features since then. What would have happened, I suppose, is the current trunk would have developped into 4.4.0. (If someone particularly wanted a specific new feature from trunk in 4.3, they could backport the patch. This would be facilitated if patches were uploaded to the bug tracker for these new features when, or preferably before (thereby increasing the stability of trunk by allowing testing of the patch first), checking in to trunk.) I expect nearly everyone knows an open-source project that works like this, but Asterisk is one that works well in this way, with hundreds of people submitting patches to their customised Mantis bug tracker. Kind regards, SebA
Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows(R). Make your smash hit<http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/>
See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. Check It Out!<http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008>
-- Stewart
You only lose what you cling to.
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