Hi, we would like to use hobbit as the part of our monitoring system delivered to our customers. Can we do it?
Thanks and Regards Jan
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 04:34:34PM +0100, Jan Vojtko wrote:
Hi, we would like to use hobbit as the part of our monitoring system delivered to our customers.
You should read the COPYING file that comes with Hobbit, that is the official license text for Hobbit.
Can we do it?
That means you will be "distributing" Hobbit in the legal sense of the word, and therefore all of the terms of the GPLv2 license come into play. What this means is essentially that if you make any modifications to the Hobbit source code, then you must make these modifications available to everyone - e.g. by posting the source code to your modified Hobbit on a website. That includes any bugfixes, enhancements, custom add-ons and modifications etc. Anything except changes to the configuration files.
You are also obliged to provide your customers with the source code to Hobbit if they ask for it, for a period of at least 3 years. And your customer is entitled to re-distribute Hobbit to others (if they want to do so, rather than just download it directly from Sourceforge).
Apart from that, you can pretty much do as you please. I would appreciate it if you would consider contributing something to the Hobbit developers (i.e. me) via the Paypal link on www.xymon.com, but there is no legal obligation for you to do that.
Regards, Henrik
Henrik St?rner wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 04:34:34PM +0100, Jan Vojtko wrote:
Hi, we would like to use hobbit as the part of our monitoring system delivered to our customers.
You should read the COPYING file that comes with Hobbit, that is the official license text for Hobbit.
Can we do it?
That means you will be "distributing" Hobbit in the legal sense of the word, and therefore all of the terms of the GPLv2 license come into play. What this means is essentially that if you make any modifications to the Hobbit source code, then you must make these modifications available to everyone - e.g. by posting the source code to your modified Hobbit on a website. That includes any bugfixes, enhancements, custom add-ons and modifications etc. Anything except changes to the configuration files.
I am interested here. Say I work for a hosting company and I am selling dedicated servers. If I install the hobbit client on the server to monitor the server, am I "distributing" the code? Is this not more Software as a Service that was covered under GPLv3? Again this is just a point of interest for a Friday afternoon.
Cheers
Iain
You are also obliged to provide your customers with the source code to Hobbit if they ask for it, for a period of at least 3 years. And your customer is entitled to re-distribute Hobbit to others (if they want to do so, rather than just download it directly from Sourceforge).
Apart from that, you can pretty much do as you please. I would appreciate it if you would consider contributing something to the Hobbit developers (i.e. me) via the Paypal link on www.xymon.com, but there is no legal obligation for you to do that.
Regards, Henrik
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Iain M Conochie wrote:
Henrik St?rner wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 04:34:34PM +0100, Jan Vojtko wrote:
Hi, we would like to use hobbit as the part of our monitoring system delivered to our customers.
You should read the COPYING file that comes with Hobbit, that is the official license text for Hobbit.
That means you will be "distributing" Hobbit in the legal sense of the word, and therefore all of the terms of the GPLv2 license come into play. What this means is essentially that if you make any modifications to the Hobbit source code, then you must make these modifications available to everyone - e.g. by posting the source code to your modified Hobbit on a website. That includes any bugfixes, enhancements, custom add-ons and modifications etc. Anything except changes to the configuration files.
Actually, I was of the impression you are only required to distribute (actually, just make available in a reasonable method) the source code to the people you have given the binaries. AFAIK, you don't *have* to distribute it to everyone. However, any person who you have given the binary can request the source code, and can then re-distribute the source code to any other third party.... ie, you can't restrict it, but you don't have to help it be distributed....
I am interested here. Say I work for a hosting company and I am selling dedicated servers. If I install the hobbit client on the server to monitor the server, am I "distributing" the code? Is this not more Software as a Service that was covered under GPLv3? Again this is just a point of interest for a Friday afternoon.
The question I would ask is are you installing a modified version of the hobbit client anyway? I would think most people would install the standard hobbit client with a couple of config settings/etc... maybe custom ext scripts (which don't fall under the hobbit license anyway), etc...
PS, not that I am suggesting people should not share any work they do!
PPS, I did do some work for a client a number of years ago (before hobbit, with BB) where we customised (read wrote a new) web interface. The bb client was stock standard and re-distributed, but the work on the server was never distributed, hence source code didn't need to be shared. This was basically to let each client login and see their own status, and nobody else's, and let the company configure/setup/delete/etc the clients monitoring/passwords/etc... Unfortunately, the company went bust, and I lost all copies of the work I had done...
PPPS, and I am not a lawyer :)
Regards, Adam
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PPS, I did do some work for a client a number of years ago (before hobbit, with BB) where we customised (read wrote a new) web interface. The bb client was stock standard and re-distributed, but the work on the server was never distributed, hence source code didn't need to be shared. This was basically to let each client login and see their own status, and nobody else's, and let the company configure/setup/delete/etc the clients monitoring/passwords/etc... Unfortunately, the company went bust, and I lost all copies of the work I had done...
I think this specific issue was one of the "loopholes" that GPL v3 hopes to close. Of course since BB was not GPL it will not apply. But as i understand it if you use GPL software to provide a service over the web and you have changed the source then you have to distribute (make available) the changes. As I see it there is no provision in GPL v2 for this.
And of course I am not a lawyer :)
Cheers
Iain
PPPS, and I am not a lawyer :)
Regards, Adam
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Hi Henrik,
I'm in the process of proofreading the documentation and wondering if I'm wasting my effort as it's currently still on version 4.2.3. Is the documentation due to be updated in the near future? Also, what's the best way to feed back any corrections?
Regards, Malcolm
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Hi Malcolm,
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:17:16AM +0100, Malcolm Hunter wrote:
I'm in the process of proofreading the documentation and wondering if I'm wasting my effort as it's currently still on version 4.2.3. Is the documentation due to be updated in the near future? Also, what's the best way to feed back any corrections?
I really appreciate someone doing proof-reading of my docs!
I haven't updated the docs for quite some time, but the best thing you could do would be to grab the documents from the Sourceforge Subversion repository - those are the current version, and the ones I would be updating.
I can setup commit-access to the repository if that is the easiest way for you to submit changes. If you would rather prefer, you can also just mail me the updated files and I'll commit the changes.
Regards, Henrik
PS: Does this have anything to do with KDE, or is it just a personal interest in Xymon ?
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iain@shihad.org
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malcolm.hunter@gmx.co.uk