I've been using BB/Hobbit with RRDtool for, I guess at least 5 years, maybe more. I've installed it successfully on maybe 10 servers. Things certainly got easier with Hobbit compared to BB!
I've just installed Hobbit on a Centos 5.2 box and for the life of me I can't work out why my RRDs aren't getting updated (they are always created during first run, but never updated). I've grepped every log, history file, etc I can find and can find no hints. Can someone suggest where to look for errors or problems to do with *updating* the RRDs?
Everything is stock, I haven't touched the bb-hosts file, indeed anything really...
Jeremy
Extra info... The RRDs are created when hobbit is first run
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 bbgen.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 bbtest.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 clock.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 38536 Nov 5 08:57 disk,boot.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 38536 Nov 5 08:57 disk,root.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 437200 Nov 5 09:01 hobbitd.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 38536 Nov 5 08:57 ifstat.eth0.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 la.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 memory.actual.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 memory.real.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 memory.swap.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 304312 Nov 5 08:57 netstat.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 procs.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 tcp.bbd.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 tcp.conn.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 tcp.http.yyyyyyy.xxxxxx.com ,.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 users.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 323296 Nov 5 09:02 vmstat.rrd
So if you tail rrd-data.log and rrd-status.log you don't see any messages that indicate any failure in the rrd process?
Does the Hobbit web display show any red alerts indicating that a rrd process crashed?
Which release of Hobbit are you running?
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
I've been using BB/Hobbit with RRDtool for, I guess at least 5 years, maybe more. I've installed it successfully on maybe 10 servers. Things certainly got easier with Hobbit compared to BB!
I've just installed Hobbit on a Centos 5.2 box and for the life of me I can't work out why my RRDs aren't getting updated (they are always created during first run, but never updated). I've grepped every log, history file, etc I can find and can find no hints. Can someone suggest where to look for errors or problems to do with *updating* the RRDs?
Everything is stock, I haven't touched the bb-hosts file, indeed anything really...
Jeremy
Extra info... The RRDs are created when hobbit is first run
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 bbgen.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 bbtest.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 clock.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 38536 Nov 5 08:57 disk,boot.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 38536 Nov 5 08:57 disk,root.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 437200 Nov 5 09:01 hobbitd.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 38536 Nov 5 08:57 ifstat.eth0.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 la.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 memory.actual.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 memory.real.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 memory.swap.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 304312 Nov 5 08:57 netstat.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 procs.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 tcp.bbd.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 tcp.conn.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 tcp.http.yyyyyyy.xxxxxx.com <http://tcp.http.yyyyyyy.xxxxxx.com>,.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 users.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 323296 Nov 5 09:02 vmstat.rrd
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Hi Rich,
Thank you for your quick response.
I am using hobbit-4.2.0.
I have no red alerts.
Green: bbd,bbgen,bbtest,conn,cpu,disk,hobbitd,http,info,memory,msgs*,trends Grey: files,ports,procs
Note I did have to make /var/log/messages 660 and root.hobbit for it to be read.
I get nothing in the logs. After deleting all logs, and stopping and starting hobbit, and waiting 20 minutes, I get this:
[root at zzz hobbit]# ll total 16 -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 0 Nov 6 04:12 acknowledge.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 0 Nov 6 04:12 bbcombotest.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 0 Nov 6 04:12 bb-display.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 0 Nov 6 04:12 bb-network.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 0 Nov 6 04:12 bb-retest.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 0 Nov 6 04:12 clientdata.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 0 Nov 6 04:12 history.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 0 Nov 6 04:12 hobbitclient.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 35 Nov 6 04:12 hobbitd.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 6 Nov 6 04:12 hobbitd.pid -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 421 Nov 6 04:12 hobbitlaunch.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 6 Nov 6 04:12 hobbitlaunch.pid -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 0 Nov 6 04:12 hostdata.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 0 Nov 6 04:12 notifications.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 0 Nov 6 04:12 page.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 0 Nov 6 04:12 rrd-data.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 0 Nov 6 04:12 rrd-status.log [root at zzz hobbit]# cat * 2008-11-06 04:12:45 Setup complete 15872 2008-11-06 04:12:45 hobbitlaunch starting 2008-11-06 04:12:45 Loading tasklist configuration from /usr/local/hobbit/server/etc/hobbitlaunch.cfg 2008-11-06 04:12:45 Loading hostnames 2008-11-06 04:12:45 Loading saved state 2008-11-06 04:12:45 Setting up network listener on 0.0.0.0:1984 2008-11-06 04:12:45 Setting up signal handlers 2008-11-06 04:12:45 Setting up hobbitd channels 2008-11-06 04:12:45 Setting up logfiles 15871
TIA,
Jeremy
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Rich Smrcina <rsmrcina at wi.rr.com> wrote:
So if you tail rrd-data.log and rrd-status.log you don't see any messages that indicate any failure in the rrd process?
Does the Hobbit web display show any red alerts indicating that a rrd process crashed?
Which release of Hobbit are you running?
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
I've been using BB/Hobbit with RRDtool for, I guess at least 5 years, maybe more. I've installed it successfully on maybe 10 servers. Things certainly got easier with Hobbit compared to BB!
I've just installed Hobbit on a Centos 5.2 box and for the life of me I can't work out why my RRDs aren't getting updated (they are always created during first run, but never updated). I've grepped every log, history file, etc I can find and can find no hints. Can someone suggest where to look for errors or problems to do with *updating* the RRDs?
Everything is stock, I haven't touched the bb-hosts file, indeed anything really...
Jeremy
Extra info... The RRDs are created when hobbit is first run
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 bbgen.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 bbtest.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 clock.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 38536 Nov 5 08:57 disk,boot.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 38536 Nov 5 08:57 disk,root.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 437200 Nov 5 09:01 hobbitd.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 38536 Nov 5 08:57 ifstat.eth0.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 la.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 memory.actual.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 memory.real.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 memory.swap.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 304312 Nov 5 08:57 netstat.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 procs.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 tcp.bbd.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 tcp.conn.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:56 tcp.http.yyyyyyy.xxxxxx.com <http://tcp.http.yyyyyyy.xxxxxx.com>,.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 19552 Nov 5 08:57 users.rrd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 323296 Nov 5 09:02 vmstat.rrd
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There are ALOT of patches on top of hobbit-4.2.0. Did you put any of them on?
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
Hi Rich,
Thank you for your quick response.
I am using hobbit-4.2.0.
I have no red alerts.
Green: bbd,bbgen,bbtest,conn,cpu,disk,hobbitd,http,info,memory,msgs*,trends Grey: files,ports,procs
Note I did have to make /var/log/messages 660 and root.hobbit for it to be read. ... big-snip...
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No, I haven't patched at all. I don't see any patches at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=128058.
Perhaps worth mentioning - the hist directory appears to have events generated at first run, but never thereafter (other than the "allevents" file).
[root at zzzz hist]# pwd /usr/local/hobbit/data/hist [root at zzzz hist]# ll total 60 -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 1180 Nov 6 04:22 allevents -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 780 Nov 6 04:22 zzzz.yyyyyyyyy.com -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 87 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbgen -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbtest -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.conn -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.cpu -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.disk -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.files -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 276 Nov 6 04:22 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.hobbitd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.http -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.memory -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 87 Nov 5 09:02 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.msgs -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.ports -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.procs
Jeremy.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Rich Smrcina <rsmrcina at wi.rr.com> wrote:
There are ALOT of patches on top of hobbit-4.2.0. Did you put any of them on?
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
Hi Rich,
Thank you for your quick response.
I am using hobbit-4.2.0.
I have no red alerts.
Green: bbd,bbgen,bbtest,conn,cpu,disk,hobbitd,http,info,memory,msgs*,trends Grey: files,ports,procs
Note I did have to make /var/log/messages 660 and root.hobbit for it to be read. ... big-snip...
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Jeremy,
See here (http://www.hobbitmon.com/patches/) for post 4.2.0 patches.
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
No, I haven't patched at all. I don't see any patches at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=128058.
Perhaps worth mentioning - the hist directory appears to have events generated at first run, but never thereafter (other than the "allevents" file).
[root at zzzz hist]# pwd /usr/local/hobbit/data/hist [root at zzzz hist]# ll total 60 -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 1180 Nov 6 04:22 allevents -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 780 Nov 6 04:22 zzzz.yyyyyyyyy.com <http://zzzz.yyyyyyyyy.com> -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 87 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbgen -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbtest -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.conn -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.cpu -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.disk -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.files -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 276 Nov 6 04:22 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.hobbitd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.http -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.memory -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 87 Nov 5 09:02 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.msgs -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.ports -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.procs
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Thanks, I had no idea that page existed!
FWIW, I am using RRDTool 1.3.4.
After patching, now during hobbit ./configure I get this (which doesn't appear to present a problem at the time as it continues apparently ok):
Checking for RRDtool ... test-rrd.c: In function âmainâ: test-rrd.c:30: error: too few arguments to function ârrd_graphâ make: *** [test-compile] Error 1 Not RRDtool 1.0.x, checking for 1.2.x Found RRDtool include files in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/include Found RRDtool libraries in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/lib Linking RRD with PNG library: -L/usr/lib -lpng
After starting hobbit, now I get "bbdisplay terminated by signal 6" in the hobbitlaunch.log, and my hobbit HTML page doesn't work anymore (Going to the hobbit index webpage I get:
Index of /hobbit
* Parent Directory
* gifs/
* help/
* html/
* menu/
* notes/
* rep/
* snap/
* wml/).
Hobbitlaunch contains:
==> /var/log/hobbit/hobbitlaunch.log <== 2008-11-06 05:21:46 hobbitlaunch starting 2008-11-06 05:21:46 Loading tasklist configuration from /usr/local/hobbit/server/etc/hobbitlaunch.cfg 2008-11-06 05:21:46 Loading hostnames 2008-11-06 05:21:46 Loading saved state 2008-11-06 05:21:46 Setting up network listener on 0.0.0.0:1984 2008-11-06 05:21:46 Setting up signal handlers 2008-11-06 05:21:46 Setting up hobbitd channels 2008-11-06 05:21:46 Setting up logfiles 2008-11-06 05:21:51 Task bbdisplay terminated by signal 6 2008-11-06 05:22:51 Task bbdisplay terminated by signal 6 2008-11-06 05:23:51 Task bbdisplay terminated by signal 6
Additionally, the RRD files are, as before, created but never updated.
Jeremy
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Rich Smrcina <rsmrcina at wi.rr.com> wrote:
Jeremy,
See here (http://www.hobbitmon.com/patches/) for post 4.2.0 patches.
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
No, I haven't patched at all. I don't see any patches at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=128058.
Perhaps worth mentioning - the hist directory appears to have events generated at first run, but never thereafter (other than the "allevents" file).
[root at zzzz hist]# pwd /usr/local/hobbit/data/hist [root at zzzz hist]# ll total 60 -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 1180 Nov 6 04:22 allevents -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 780 Nov 6 04:22 zzzz.yyyyyyyyy.com < http://zzzz.yyyyyyyyy.com> -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 87 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbgen -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbtest -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.conn -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.cpu -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.disk -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.files -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 276 Nov 6 04:22 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.hobbitd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.http -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.memory -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 87 Nov 5 09:02 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.msgs -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.ports -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.procs
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Apparently your rrdtool is quite new. I'm running a very current snapshot and my rrd is only 1.2.12.
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
Thanks, I had no idea that page existed!
FWIW, I am using RRDTool 1.3.4. <http://1.3.4.>
After patching, now during hobbit ./configure I get this (which doesn't appear to present a problem at the time as it continues apparently ok):
Checking for RRDtool ... test-rrd.c: In function âmainâ: test-rrd.c:30: error: too few arguments to function ârrd_graphâ make: *** [test-compile] Error 1 Not RRDtool 1.0.x, checking for 1.2.x Found RRDtool include files in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/include Found RRDtool libraries in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/lib Linking RRD with PNG library: -L/usr/lib -lpng
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I have install RRDTool 1.2.28 now so I have:
[root at zzz hobbit-4.2.0]# ll /usr/local/ | grep rrd drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Nov 6 05:41 rrdtool-1.2.28 drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Nov 5 04:44 rrdtool-1.3.4
I seem to be having trouble getting hobbit to use 1.2.28. At first I just removed the 1.3.4 directory, hobbit configure reported that it detected and was using rrdtool 1.2, but when it ran the logs filled with errors about not finding 1.3.4 files.
I then restored 1.3.4 and tried using:
./configure --server --rrdinclude=/usr/local/rrdtool-1.2.28/include --rrdlib=/usr/local/rrdtool-1.2.28
However ./configure appears to ignore the extra commands and says it will use 1.3.4 files:
"Checking for RRDtool ... test-rrd.c: In function âmainâ: test-rrd.c:30: error: too few arguments to function ârrd_graphâ make: *** [test-compile] Error 1 Not RRDtool 1.0.x, checking for 1.2.x Found RRDtool include files in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/include Found RRDtool libraries in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/lib Linking RRD with PNG library: -L/usr/lib -lpng "
Can anyone advise how to properly remove RRDtool 1.3.4 or get hobbit to configure using 1.2.28?
TIA!
Jeremy.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Rich Smrcina <rsmrcina at wi.rr.com> wrote:
Apparently your rrdtool is quite new. I'm running a very current snapshot and my rrd is only 1.2.12.
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
Thanks, I had no idea that page existed!
FWIW, I am using RRDTool 1.3.4. <http://1.3.4.> After patching, now during hobbit ./configure I get this (which doesn't appear to present a problem at the time as it continues apparently ok):
Checking for RRDtool ... test-rrd.c: In function âmainâ: test-rrd.c:30: error: too few arguments to function ârrd_graphâ make: *** [test-compile] Error 1 Not RRDtool 1.0.x, checking for 1.2.x Found RRDtool include files in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/include Found RRDtool libraries in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/lib Linking RRD with PNG library: -L/usr/lib -lpng
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You may need to remove your .rrd. files that 1.3.4 generated and start from scratch.
Thanks, Larry Barber
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Jeremy Cappilero <jeremy.cappilero at gmail.com
wrote:
I have install RRDTool 1.2.28 now so I have:
[root at zzz hobbit-4.2.0]# ll /usr/local/ | grep rrd drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Nov 6 05:41 rrdtool-1.2.28 drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Nov 5 04:44 rrdtool-1.3.4
I seem to be having trouble getting hobbit to use 1.2.28. At first I just removed the 1.3.4 directory, hobbit configure reported that it detected and was using rrdtool 1.2, but when it ran the logs filled with errors about not finding 1.3.4 files.
I then restored 1.3.4 and tried using:
./configure --server --rrdinclude=/usr/local/rrdtool-1.2.28/include --rrdlib=/usr/local/rrdtool-1.2.28
However ./configure appears to ignore the extra commands and says it will use 1.3.4 files:
"Checking for RRDtool ... test-rrd.c: In function âmainâ: test-rrd.c:30: error: too few arguments to function ârrd_graphâ make: *** [test-compile] Error 1 Not RRDtool 1.0.x, checking for 1.2.x Found RRDtool include files in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/include Found RRDtool libraries in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/lib Linking RRD with PNG library: -L/usr/lib -lpng "
Can anyone advise how to properly remove RRDtool 1.3.4 or get hobbit to configure using 1.2.28?
TIA!
Jeremy.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Rich Smrcina <rsmrcina at wi.rr.com> wrote:
Apparently your rrdtool is quite new. I'm running a very current snapshot and my rrd is only 1.2.12.
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
Thanks, I had no idea that page existed!
FWIW, I am using RRDTool 1.3.4. <http://1.3.4.> After patching, now during hobbit ./configure I get this (which doesn't appear to present a problem at the time as it continues apparently ok):
Checking for RRDtool ... test-rrd.c: In function âmainâ: test-rrd.c:30: error: too few arguments to function ârrd_graphâ make: *** [test-compile] Error 1 Not RRDtool 1.0.x, checking for 1.2.x Found RRDtool include files in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/include Found RRDtool libraries in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/lib Linking RRD with PNG library: -L/usr/lib -lpng
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Hi Larry,
I always "rm -fr /usr/local/hobbit" and "rm -fr /var/log/hobbit/*" before recompiling to ensure everything is totally clean.
Nonetheless, I get "hobbitd_rrd: error while loading shared libraries: librrd.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 2008-11-06 06:09:22 Worker process died with exit code 32512, terminating" in my logs now as it appears to still be looking for the 1.3.4 rrdtool for some reason (there must be something still on the system that tells it to look for librrd.so.4)?
This is despite this showing up during configure (having removed the 1.3.4 rrdtool directory entirely before running configure):
"Checking for RRDtool ... test-rrd.c: In function âmainâ: test-rrd.c:30: error: too few arguments to function ârrd_graphâ make: *** [test-compile] Error 1 Not RRDtool 1.0.x, checking for 1.2.x Found RRDtool include files in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.2.28/include Found RRDtool libraries in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.2.28/lib Linking RRD with PNG library: -L/usr/lib -lpng "
My apologies for getting sidetracked here, but perhaps this will be useful to archive for other people who need to downgrade their RRDtool (if this is indeed the problem anyway!).
Jeremy.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Larry Barber <lebarber at gmail.com> wrote:
You may need to remove your .rrd. files that 1.3.4 generated and start from scratch.
Thanks, Larry Barber
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Jeremy Cappilero < jeremy.cappilero at gmail.com> wrote:
I have install RRDTool 1.2.28 now so I have:
[root at zzz hobbit-4.2.0]# ll /usr/local/ | grep rrd drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Nov 6 05:41 rrdtool-1.2.28 drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Nov 5 04:44 rrdtool-1.3.4
I seem to be having trouble getting hobbit to use 1.2.28. At first I just removed the 1.3.4 directory, hobbit configure reported that it detected and was using rrdtool 1.2, but when it ran the logs filled with errors about not finding 1.3.4 files.
I then restored 1.3.4 and tried using:
./configure --server --rrdinclude=/usr/local/rrdtool-1.2.28/include --rrdlib=/usr/local/rrdtool-1.2.28
However ./configure appears to ignore the extra commands and says it will use 1.3.4 files:
"Checking for RRDtool ... test-rrd.c: In function âmainâ: test-rrd.c:30: error: too few arguments to function ârrd_graphâ make: *** [test-compile] Error 1 Not RRDtool 1.0.x, checking for 1.2.x Found RRDtool include files in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/include Found RRDtool libraries in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/lib Linking RRD with PNG library: -L/usr/lib -lpng "
Can anyone advise how to properly remove RRDtool 1.3.4 or get hobbit to configure using 1.2.28?
TIA!
Jeremy.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Rich Smrcina <rsmrcina at wi.rr.com> wrote:
Apparently your rrdtool is quite new. I'm running a very current snapshot and my rrd is only 1.2.12.
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
Thanks, I had no idea that page existed!
FWIW, I am using RRDTool 1.3.4. <http://1.3.4.> After patching, now during hobbit ./configure I get this (which doesn't appear to present a problem at the time as it continues apparently ok):
Checking for RRDtool ... test-rrd.c: In function âmainâ: test-rrd.c:30: error: too few arguments to function ârrd_graphâ make: *** [test-compile] Error 1 Not RRDtool 1.0.x, checking for 1.2.x Found RRDtool include files in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/include Found RRDtool libraries in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/lib Linking RRD with PNG library: -L/usr/lib -lpng
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Check to see if you also have a rrdtool-devel package.
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
I have install RRDTool 1.2.28 now so I have:
[root at zzz hobbit-4.2.0]# ll /usr/local/ | grep rrd drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Nov 6 05:41 rrdtool-1.2.28 drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Nov 5 04:44 rrdtool-1.3.4
I seem to be having trouble getting hobbit to use 1.2.28. <http://1.2.28.> At first I just removed the 1.3.4 directory, hobbit configure reported that it detected and was using rrdtool 1.2, but when it ran the logs filled with errors about not finding 1.3.4 files.
I then restored 1.3.4 and tried using:
./configure --server --rrdinclude=/usr/local/rrdtool-1.2.28/include --rrdlib=/usr/local/rrdtool-1.2.28
However ./configure appears to ignore the extra commands and says it will use 1.3.4 files:
"Checking for RRDtool ... test-rrd.c: In function âmainâ: test-rrd.c:30: error: too few arguments to function ârrd_graphâ make: *** [test-compile] Error 1 Not RRDtool 1.0.x, checking for 1.2.x Found RRDtool include files in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/include Found RRDtool libraries in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/lib Linking RRD with PNG library: -L/usr/lib -lpng "
Can anyone advise how to properly remove RRDtool 1.3.4 or get hobbit to configure using 1.2.28?
TIA!
Jeremy.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Rich Smrcina <rsmrcina at wi.rr.com <mailto:rsmrcina at wi.rr.com>> wrote:
Apparently your rrdtool is quite new. I'm running a very current snapshot and my rrd is only 1.2.12. <http://1.2.12.> Jeremy Cappilero wrote: Thanks, I had no idea that page existed! FWIW, I am using RRDTool 1.3.4. <http://1.3.4.> <http://1.3.4.> After patching, now during hobbit ./configure I get this (which doesn't appear to present a problem at the time as it continues apparently ok): Checking for RRDtool ... test-rrd.c: In function âmainâ: test-rrd.c:30: error: too few arguments to function ârrd_graphâ make: *** [test-compile] Error 1 Not RRDtool 1.0.x, checking for 1.2.x Found RRDtool include files in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/include Found RRDtool libraries in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/lib Linking RRD with PNG library: -L/usr/lib -lpng -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 To unsubscribe from the hobbit list, send an e-mail to hobbit-unsubscribe at hswn.dk <mailto:hobbit-unsubscribe at hswn.dk>
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I am installing rrdtool from source. So no packages to easily uninstall.
[root at zzz hobbit-4.2.0]# updatedb [root at zzz hobbit-4.2.0]# locate rrdtool-devel [no output]
Jeremy.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Rich Smrcina <rsmrcina at wi.rr.com> wrote:
Check to see if you also have a rrdtool-devel package.
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
I have install RRDTool 1.2.28 now so I have:
[root at zzz hobbit-4.2.0]# ll /usr/local/ | grep rrd drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Nov 6 05:41 rrdtool-1.2.28 drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Nov 5 04:44 rrdtool-1.3.4
I seem to be having trouble getting hobbit to use 1.2.28. <http://1.2.28.> At first I just removed the 1.3.4 directory, hobbit configure reported that it detected and was using rrdtool 1.2, but when it ran the logs filled with errors about not finding 1.3.4 files.
I then restored 1.3.4 and tried using:
./configure --server --rrdinclude=/usr/local/rrdtool-1.2.28/include --rrdlib=/usr/local/rrdtool-1.2.28
However ./configure appears to ignore the extra commands and says it will use 1.3.4 files:
"Checking for RRDtool ... test-rrd.c: In function âmainâ: test-rrd.c:30: error: too few arguments to function ârrd_graphâ make: *** [test-compile] Error 1 Not RRDtool 1.0.x, checking for 1.2.x Found RRDtool include files in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/include Found RRDtool libraries in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/lib Linking RRD with PNG library: -L/usr/lib -lpng "
Can anyone advise how to properly remove RRDtool 1.3.4 or get hobbit to configure using 1.2.28?
TIA!
Jeremy.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Rich Smrcina <rsmrcina at wi.rr.com <mailto: rsmrcina at wi.rr.com>> wrote:
Apparently your rrdtool is quite new. I'm running a very current snapshot and my rrd is only 1.2.12. <http://1.2.12.>
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
Thanks, I had no idea that page existed! FWIW, I am using RRDTool 1.3.4. <http://1.3.4.> <http://1.3.4.> After patching, now during hobbit ./configure I get this (which doesn't appear to present a problem at the time as it continues apparently ok): Checking for RRDtool ... test-rrd.c: In function âmainâ: test-rrd.c:30: error: too few arguments to function ârrd_graphâ make: *** [test-compile] Error 1 Not RRDtool 1.0.x, checking for 1.2.x Found RRDtool include files in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/include Found RRDtool libraries in /usr/local/rrdtool-1.3.4/lib Linking RRD with PNG library: -L/usr/lib -lpng-- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina
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Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
I am installing rrdtool from source. So no packages to easily uninstall.
[root at zzz hobbit-4.2.0]# updatedb [root at zzz hobbit-4.2.0]# locate rrdtool-devel [no output]
Jeremy.
The Hobbit build seems to be remembering about the newer release. Before you configure again run 'make distclean'.
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Rich you are quite the legend!
Indeed - I needed to "make distclean" before recompiling hobbit.
This has fixed the problem entirely.
So the end result of this thread, is that hobbit 4.2.1 is not compatible with RRDTool V1.3.8 (likely 1.3.x).
Thank you to everyone who has helped and good luck in making hobbit compatible with RRDTool 1.3 in the future. In the meantime, perhaps an fatal warning if configure detects rrdtool 1.3.x would suffice.
Warmly,
Jeremy
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Rich Smrcina <rsmrcina at wi.rr.com> wrote:
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
I am installing rrdtool from source. So no packages to easily uninstall.
[root at zzz hobbit-4.2.0]# updatedb [root at zzz hobbit-4.2.0]# locate rrdtool-devel [no output]
Jeremy.
The Hobbit build seems to be remembering about the newer release. Before you configure again run 'make distclean'.
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Excellent! I'm glad it all worked out.
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
Rich you are quite the legend!
Indeed - I needed to "make distclean" before recompiling hobbit.
This has fixed the problem entirely.
So the end result of this thread, is that hobbit 4.2.1 is not compatible with RRDTool V1.3.8 (likely 1.3.x).
Thank you to everyone who has helped and good luck in making hobbit compatible with RRDTool 1.3 in the future. In the meantime, perhaps an fatal warning if configure detects rrdtool 1.3.x would suffice.
Warmly,
Jeremy
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Re: Jeremy Cappilero 2008-11-06 <35a89cde0811051542x673360b2x152ed58a708b3e1d at mail.gmail.com>
This has fixed the problem entirely.
So the end result of this thread, is that hobbit 4.2.1 is not compatible with RRDTool V1.3.8 (likely 1.3.x).
Hi,
the compilation stuff set aside, I had noticed my rrds didn't update too. The truth was that they *did* update, but the mtime of the files doesn't change, though.
Later librrd versions apparently do some funky stuff with mmap() that doesn't update the timestamps. The contents are still updated.
Christoph
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In <20081112105515.GF16985 at df7cb.de> Christoph Berg <cb at df7cb.de> writes:
So the end result of this thread, is that hobbit 4.2.1 is not compatible with RRDTool V1.3.8 (likely 1.3.x).
the compilation stuff set aside, I had noticed my rrds didn't update too. The truth was that they *did* update, but the mtime of the files doesn't change, though.
Later librrd versions apparently do some funky stuff with mmap() that doesn't update the timestamps. The contents are still updated.
The missing timestamp update is a Linux kernel 2.6.x feature/bug.
Regards, Henrik
On Thursday 06 November 2008, Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
I am installing rrdtool from source. So no packages to easily uninstall. Just wondering, why? As far as I know, all linux distrbutions have the correct rrdtool-devel packages in the repository.
Stef
Out of random curiosity... why hasn't anybody applied the all in one patch and put a hobbit 4.2.1 or something up on SourceForge??
Rich Smrcina wrote:
Jeremy,
See here (http://www.hobbitmon.com/patches/) for post 4.2.0 patches.
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
No, I haven't patched at all. I don't see any patches at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=128058.
Perhaps worth mentioning - the hist directory appears to have events generated at first run, but never thereafter (other than the "allevents" file).
[root at zzzz hist]# pwd /usr/local/hobbit/data/hist [root at zzzz hist]# ll total 60 -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 1180 Nov 6 04:22 allevents -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 780 Nov 6 04:22 zzzz.yyyyyyyyy.com <http://zzzz.yyyyyyyyy.com> -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 87 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbgen -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbtest -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.conn -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.cpu -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.disk -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.files -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 276 Nov 6 04:22 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.hobbitd -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.http -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.memory -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 87 Nov 5 09:02 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.msgs -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.ports -rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.procs
On Thursday 06 November 2008 00:35:48 Jon Boede wrote:
Out of random curiosity... why hasn't anybody applied the all in one patch and put a hobbit 4.2.1 or something up on SourceForge??
The preceding question is, why is the devel list so quiet (which is where I was hoping to ask this question months ago).
Regards, Buchan
On Wednesday 05 November 2008, Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
I've been using BB/Hobbit with RRDtool for, I guess at least 5 years, maybe more. I've installed it successfully on maybe 10 servers. Things certainly got easier with Hobbit compared to BB!
I've just installed Hobbit on a Centos 5.2 box and for the life of me I can't work out why my RRDs aren't getting updated (they are always created during first run, but never updated). I've grepped every log, history file, etc I can find and can find no hints. Can someone suggest where to look for errors or problems to do with *updating* the RRDs? I never had such a problem on any installation. Ones a rrd file is created, it is also updated.
Can you check if you have the needed processes running ?
"ps -ef | grep hobbitd_rrd" shows 4 processes on my box (lines are truncated):
hobbit 17554 17534 0 16:39 ? 00:00:05 hobbitd_channel --channel=status --log=/home/users/hobbit/server/log/rrd-status.log hobbitd_rrd --rrddir=/home/users/hobbit/data/rrd hobbit 17558 17534 0 16:39 ? 00:00:00 hobbitd_channel --channel=data --log=/home/users/hobbit/server/log/rrd-data.log hobbitd_rrd --rrddir=/home/users/hobbit/data/rrd hobbit 17559 17558 0 16:39 ? 00:00:16 hobbitd_rrd --rrddir=/home/users/hobbit/data/rrd hobbit 17564 17554 0 16:39 ? 00:00:43 hobbitd_rrd --rrddir=/home/users/hobbit/data/rrd
You can also trigger an error by making the rrd files unwritable by the hobbit user. This should put an error in the server logfiles whenever hobbit tries to update the rrd files.
Stef
done.
4.2.1 tar ball is here: http://hobbitmon.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/hobbitmon/branches/hobbit-4.2.1....
4.2.1 Readme file.
http://hobbitmon.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/hobbitmon/branches/README.4.2.1?...
tj
From: Jon Boede Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:35 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: [hobbit] Re: RRDs created, never updated
Out of random curiosity... why hasn't anybody applied the all in one patch and put a hobbit 4.2.1 or something up on SourceForge??
Rich Smrcina wrote: Jeremy,
See here (http://www.hobbitmon.com/patches/) for post 4.2.0 patches.
Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
No, I haven't patched at all. I don't see any patches at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=128058.
Perhaps worth mentioning - the hist directory appears to have events generated at first run, but never thereafter (other than the "allevents" file).
[root at zzzz hist]# pwd
/usr/local/hobbit/data/hist
[root at zzzz hist]# ll
total 60
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 1180 Nov 6 04:22 allevents
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 780 Nov 6 04:22 zzzz.yyyyyyyyy.com <http://zzzz.yyyyyyyyy.com>
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbd
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 87 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbgen
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.bbtest
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.conn
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.cpu
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.disk
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.files
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 276 Nov 6 04:22 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.hobbitd
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:56 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.http
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.memory
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 87 Nov 5 09:02 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.msgs
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.ports
-rw-rw-r-- 1 hobbit hobbit 41 Nov 5 08:57 zzzz,yyyyyyyyy,com.procs OK, I'm not the type who gets offended easily, but this did make my blood pressure go up a bit:
In <BAY138-DS1620B45379321618FC0139F1F0 at phx.gbl> "T.J. Yang" <tj_yang at hotmail.com> writes:
Jon Boede wrote:
Out of random curiosity... why hasn't anybody applied the all in one = patch and put a hobbit 4.2.1 or something up on SourceForge??
done.
- 4.2.1 tar ball is here: [snip]
- 4.2.1 Readme file. [snip]
TJ, I hope You did this with the best of intentions. But I'm really offended that You did it without at least telling me about it first. My personal e-mail address is well known, and dropping me a mail first would have been the polite thing to do. If You'd done that, such a release could have been done quickly with my "official" blessing.
Instead, You've made me angry and created a mess - there's now one more place where some random version of Hobbit can be found. And on top of it all You've given it the look of an official patch by putting a "4.2.1" label on it.
All I'm asking for is that all of you *think* about what you do. If you're frustrated about the next release not arriving, do something to move it forward - i.e. grab the current source-trunk from the Subversion archive, use it and send bug reports. Or patches. Or write docs.
Henrik (in a rather frustrated mood)
Henrik,
Oh the joys of releasing your well maintained product to the masses :) The vigilante actions remind me of some of the internal antics at the company I work for. True thinkers are often overshadowed by the impatient masses. I feel your pain....
Best Regards, -t
Henrik Størner wrote:
OK, I'm not the type who gets offended easily, but this did make my blood pressure go up a bit:
In <BAY138-DS1620B45379321618FC0139F1F0 at phx.gbl> "T.J. Yang" <tj_yang at hotmail.com> writes:
Jon Boede wrote: Out of random curiosity... why hasn't anybody applied the all in one = patch and put a hobbit 4.2.1 or something up on SourceForge??
done.
- 4.2.1 tar ball is here: [snip]
- 4.2.1 Readme file. [snip]
TJ, I hope You did this with the best of intentions. But I'm really offended that You did it without at least telling me about it first. My personal e-mail address is well known, and dropping me a mail first would have been the polite thing to do. If You'd done that, such a release could have been done quickly with my "official" blessing.
Instead, You've made me angry and created a mess - there's now one more place where some random version of Hobbit can be found. And on top of it all You've given it the look of an official patch by putting a "4.2.1" label on it.
All I'm asking for is that all of you *think* about what you do. If you're frustrated about the next release not arriving, do something to move it forward - i.e. grab the current source-trunk from the Subversion archive, use it and send bug reports. Or patches. Or write docs.
Henrik (in a rather frustrated mood)
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To: hobbit at hswn.dk> From: henrik at hswn.dk> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:56:21 +0000> CC: tj_yang at hotmail.com> Subject: [hobbit] Vigilante releases (was: RRDs created, never updated)> > OK, I'm not the type who gets offended easily, but this did make my > blood pressure go up a bit:> > In <BAY138-DS1620B45379321618FC0139F1F0 at phx.gbl> "T.J. Yang" <tj_yang at hotmail.com> writes:> > >> Jon Boede wrote:> >> >>Out of random curiosity... why hasn't anybody applied the all in one => >>patch and put a hobbit 4.2.1 or something up on SourceForge??> > > >done.> > >1. 4.2.1 tar ball is here:> [snip]> >2. 4.2.1 Readme file.> [snip]> > > TJ, I hope You did this with the best of intentions. But I'm really > offended that You did it without at least telling me about it first.
My intention was to provide a solution to silence the complain. Stand corrected. I didn't ask for your blessing/permisson first.
My personal e-mail address is well known, and dropping me a mail > first would have been the polite thing to do. If You'd done that,> such a release could have been done quickly with my "official"> blessing. Again my apology. Instead, You've made me angry and created a mess - there's now one> more place where some random version of Hobbit can be found. And on> top of it all You've given it the look of an official patch by > putting a "4.2.1" label on it. Sorry that I make you feel angry.> > All I'm asking for is that all of you *think* about what you do.> If you're frustrated about the next release not arriving, do> something to move it forward - i.e. grab the current source-trunk> from the Subversion archive, use it and send bug reports. Or> patches. Or write docs. I am not frustrated of "next realease not coming". I was hoping to answer the question of why not putting all-in-one patche into a source tree to relieve the patching headaches.
again My apology to create this tension due to my bad judgement.
effort should really spend on docs,patche and bug reports.
tj yang
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Would it not be sensible to remove it? I don't know if that can be done or not (don't see why not though), that way we don't have to worry about an odd version floating around. Maybe put a README in its place stating that the patch was released incorrectly, or some such?
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-----Original Message----- From: T.J. Yang [mailto:tj_yang at hotmail.com] Sent: 06 November 2008 22:17 To: hobbit system monitoring Subject: RE: [hobbit] Vigilante releases (was: RRDs created, never updated)
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> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:56:21 +0000
> CC: tj_yang at hotmail.com
> Subject: [hobbit] Vigilante releases (was: RRDs created, neverupdated) > > OK, I'm not the type who gets offended easily, but this did make my > blood pressure go up a bit: > > In <BAY138-DS1620B45379321618FC0139F1F0 at phx.gbl> "T.J. Yang" <tj_yang at hotmail.com> writes: > > >> Jon Boede wrote: > > > >>Out of random curiosity... why hasn't anybody applied the all in one = > >>patch and put a hobbit 4.2.1 or something up on SourceForge?? > > > >done. > > >1. 4.2.1 tar ball is here: > [snip] > >2. 4.2.1 Readme file. > [snip] > > > TJ, I hope You did this with the best of intentions. But I'm really > offended that You did it without at least telling me about it first. My intention was to provide a solution to silence the complain. Stand corrected. I didn't ask for your blessing/permisson first.
> My personal e-mail address is well known, and dropping me amail > first would have been the polite thing to do. If You'd done that, > such a release could have been done quickly with my "official" > blessing.
Again my apology.
> Instead, You've made me angry and created a mess - there's nowone > more place where some random version of Hobbit can be found. And on > top of it all You've given it the look of an official patch by
> putting a "4.2.1" label on it.
Sorry that I make you feel angry.
>
> All I'm asking for is that all of you *think* about what youdo. > If you're frustrated about the next release not arriving, do > something to move it forward - i.e. grab the current source-trunk > from the Subversion archive, use it and send bug reports. Or > patches. Or write docs.
I am not frustrated of "next realease not coming". I was hoping
to answer the question of why not putting all-in-one patche intoa source tree to relieve the patching headaches. again My apology to create this tension due to my bad judgement. effort should really spend on docs,patche and bug reports. tj yang
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MessageThanks for the suggestion. I did remove the my mistake (vigilante release).
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Would it not be sensible to remove it? I don't know if that can be done or not (don't see why not though), that way we don't have to worry about an odd version floating around. Maybe put a README in its place stating that the patch was released incorrectly, or some such?
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To: hobbit at hswn.dk From: henrik at hswn.dk Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:56:21 +0000 CC: tj_yang at hotmail.com Subject: [hobbit] Vigilante releases (was: RRDs created, never updated)
OK, I'm not the type who gets offended easily, but this did make my blood pressure go up a bit:
In <BAY138-DS1620B45379321618FC0139F1F0 at phx.gbl> "T.J. Yang" <tj_yang at hotmail.com> writes:
Jon Boede wrote:
Out of random curiosity... why hasn't anybody applied the all in one = patch and put a hobbit 4.2.1 or something up on SourceForge??
done.
- 4.2.1 tar ball is here: [snip]
- 4.2.1 Readme file. [snip]
TJ, I hope You did this with the best of intentions. But I'm really offended that You did it without at least telling me about it first.
My intention was to provide a solution to silence the complain. Stand corrected. I didn't ask for your blessing/permisson first.
My personal e-mail address is well known, and dropping me a mail first would have been the polite thing to do. If You'd done that, such a release could have been done quickly with my "official" blessing.
Again my apology.
Instead, You've made me angry and created a mess - there's now one more place where some random version of Hobbit can be found. And on top of it all You've given it the look of an official patch by putting a "4.2.1" label on it.
Sorry that I make you feel angry.
All I'm asking for is that all of you *think* about what you do. If you're frustrated about the next release not arriving, do something to move it forward - i.e. grab the current source-trunk from the Subversion archive, use it and send bug reports. Or patches. Or write docs.
I am not frustrated of "next realease not coming". I was hoping to answer the question of why not putting all-in-one patche into a source tree to relieve the patching headaches.
again My apology to create this tension due to my bad judgement.
effort should really spend on docs,patche and bug reports.
tj yang
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Ward, Martin wrote:
Would it not be sensible to remove it? I don't know if that can be done or not (don't see why not though), that way we don't have to worry about an odd version floating around. Maybe put a README in its place stating that the patch was released incorrectly, or some such?
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I second that!
GLH
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Ward, Martin wrote:
Would it not be sensible to remove it? I don't know if that can be done or not (don't see why not though), that way we don't have to worry about an odd version floating around. Maybe put a README in its place stating that the patch was released incorrectly, or some such?
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Thanks for the support.
A mistake is a mistake. My intention was to help but execution was wrong.
Lets move on (and forgive my mistake) and direct the energy to make hobbit better. T.J. Yang> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:43:01 -0600> From: greg.hubbard at eds.com> To: hobbit at hswn.dk> Subject: RE: [hobbit] Vigilante releases> > I second that!> > GLH > > -----Original Message-----> From: Rich Smrcina [mailto:rsmrcina at wi.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:18 AM> To: hobbit at hswn.dk> Subject: Re: [hobbit] Vigilante releases> > Ward, Martin wrote:> > Would it not be sensible to remove it? I don't know if that can be > > done or not (don't see why not though), that way we don't have to > > worry about an odd version floating around. Maybe put a README in its > > place stating that the patch was released incorrectly, or some such?> > > > |\/|> > TJ has been a good, solid contributor to the project for a long time. I> have every expectation that the work he did in creating his package, he> did in good faith, with the best of intentions.> > --> Rich Smrcina> VM Assist, Inc.> Phone: 414-491-6001> Ans Service: 360-715-2467> http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina> > Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org> WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009> > To unsubscribe from the hobbit list, send an e-mail to> hobbit-unsubscribe at hswn.dk> > > > To unsubscribe from the hobbit list, send an e-mail to> hobbit-unsubscribe at hswn.dk> >
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On Friday 07 November 2008 14:18:04 Rich Smrcina wrote:
Ward, Martin wrote:
Would it not be sensible to remove it? I don't know if that can be done or not (don't see why not though), that way we don't have to worry about an odd version floating around. Maybe put a README in its place stating that the patch was released incorrectly, or some such?
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TJ has been a good, solid contributor to the project for a long time. I have every expectation that the work he did in creating his package, he did in good faith, with the best of intentions.
However, coordination would be better. Thus my new thread on the hobbitmon- developers list. Hopefully it will actually get some replies.
In <BAY138-W1480AA75230CF58AA411229F1E0 at phx.gbl> "T.J. Yang" <tj_yang at hotmail.com> writes:
My apology to create this tension due to my bad judgement.
Accepted - no hard feelings. Let's get back to business, then.
Regards, Henrik
On Wednesday 05 November 2008 23:20:42 Jeremy Cappilero wrote:
I've been using BB/Hobbit with RRDtool for, I guess at least 5 years, maybe more. I've installed it successfully on maybe 10 servers. Things certainly got easier with Hobbit compared to BB!
I've just installed Hobbit on a Centos 5.2
I note that you could have installed Hobbit *really* easily:
http://staff.telkomsa.net/packages/rhel5/hobbit/
(has the allinone patch, and the BBWin patch, and the devmon patch).
Regards, Buchan
What : I like to suggest we create a hobbit/hobbitmon group/channel on freenode.net Why: To provide instant way of hobbit related discussion. Where: http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml
Henrik, Do you support this idea ?
tj
T.J. Yang wrote:
*What : I like to suggest we create a hobbit/hobbitmon group/channel on freenode.net* *Why: To provide instant way of hobbit related discussion.* *Where: * *http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml*
Henrik, Do you support this idea ?
tj
Is the list server not fast enough?
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Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I am finding delays of up to 6 hours between message sent, and message appearing on the list.
Cheers V
-----Original Message----- From: Rich Smrcina [mailto:rsmrcina at wi.rr.com] Sent: Friday, 7 November 2008 12:46 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ?
T.J. Yang wrote:
*What : I like to suggest we create a hobbit/hobbitmon group/channel on freenode.net* *Why: To provide instant way of hobbit related discussion.* *Where: * *http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml*
Henrik, Do you support this idea ?
tj
Is the list server not fast enough?
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In <A3D12FAD74FC8B46991703F40C182BABA1EDCC29 at permls102.wde.woodside.com.au> "Everett, Vernon" <Vernon.Everett at woodside.com.au> writes:
Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I am finding delays of up to = 6 hours between message sent, and message appearing on the list.
Vernon, that's because all of your postings to the list use a one-time sender address like "prvs=Vernon.Everett=1908e561b at woodside.com.au" . Meaning I have to manually approve the mail before it gets passed to the list.
Regards, Henrik
What a pain. How can I make life easier for both of us?
-----Original Message----- From: Henrik Størner [mailto:henrik at hswn.dk] Sent: Friday, 7 November 2008 3:27 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ?
In <A3D12FAD74FC8B46991703F40C182BABA1EDCC29 at permls102.wde.woodside.com.au> "Everett, Vernon" <Vernon.Everett at woodside.com.au> writes:
Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I am finding delays of up to = 6 hours between message sent, and message appearing on the list.
Vernon, that's because all of your postings to the list use a one-time sender address like "prvs=Vernon.Everett=1908e561b at woodside.com.au" . Meaning I have to manually approve the mail before it gets passed to the list.
Regards, Henrik
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Perfect example. This arrived here now - 15h25 local time. I sent it 12h49 local time.
That's over 2 hours delay.
-----Original Message----- From: Everett, Vernon [mailto:Vernon.Everett at woodside.com.au] Sent: Friday, 7 November 2008 12:49 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: RE: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ?
Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I am finding delays of up to 6 hours between message sent, and message appearing on the list.
Cheers V
-----Original Message----- From: Rich Smrcina [mailto:rsmrcina at wi.rr.com] Sent: Friday, 7 November 2008 12:46 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ?
T.J. Yang wrote:
*What : I like to suggest we create a hobbit/hobbitmon group/channel on freenode.net* *Why: To provide instant way of hobbit related discussion.* *Where: * *http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml*
Henrik, Do you support this idea ?
tj
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Most IRC channels are like 80% social and 20% topic discussion =) It would be a place for Hobbit users to gather and offer help when someone manages to stumble in.
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On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Rich Smrcina <rsmrcina at wi.rr.com> wrote:
T.J. Yang wrote:
*What : I like to suggest we create a hobbit/hobbitmon group/channel on freenode.net*
*Why: To provide instant way of hobbit related discussion.* *Where: * *http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml* Henrik, Do you support this idea ? tj
Is the list server not fast enough?
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I have no idea what freenode.net is or does, but if it's an IRC server then it's not going to work for a large number of us who use and maintain Hobbit in a work environment. I haven't worked for many companies in my time but I can guarantee that none of them allowed/allow IRC within their network, no matter how it is tunnelled.
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Most IRC channels are like 80% social and 20% topic discussion=) It would be a place for Hobbit users to gather and offer help when someone manages to stumble in.
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T.J. Yang wrote:
*What : I like to suggest we create ahobbit/hobbitmon group/channel on freenode.net*
*Why: To provide instant way of hobbit relateddiscussion.* *Where: * *http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml* Henrik, Do you support this idea ? tj
Is the list server not fast enough?
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On Friday 07 November 2008 12:40:30 Ward, Martin wrote:
I have no idea what freenode.net is or does, but if it's an IRC server then it's not going to work for a large number of us who use and maintain Hobbit in a work environment. I haven't worked for many companies in my time but I can guarantee that none of them allowed/allow IRC within their network, no matter how it is tunnelled.
Sheesh, talk about negative. If you can't use it thats tough, don't nay-say others that can. I for one am in favour of this.
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On Friday 07 November 2008 12:40:30 Ward, Martin wrote:
I have no idea what freenode.net is or does, but if it's an IRC server then it's not going to work for a large number of us who use and maintain Hobbit in a work environment. I haven't worked for many companies in my time but I can guarantee that none of them allowed/allow IRC within their network, no matter how it is tunnelled.
Sheesh, talk about negative. If you can't use it thats tough, don't nay-say others that can. I for one am in favour of this.
I was being realistic rather than negative. If only 5% of Hobbit admins Are able to use this service then is it going to be that useful?
If a large proportion of admins can use it then go ahead, knock yourselves out.
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First off please note most IRC channels don't get questions answered within a few hours. While it does happen from time to time it should not be expected.
IRC is a weird thing to block intentionally. SSH tunneling easily avoids this, though.
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On Friday 07 November 2008 12:40:30 Ward, Martin wrote:
I have no idea what freenode.net is or does, but if it's an IRC server then it's not going to work for a large number of us who use and maintain Hobbit in a work environment. I haven't worked for many companies in my time but I can guarantee that none of them allowed/allow IRC within their network, no matter how it is tunnelled.
Sheesh, talk about negative. If you can't use it thats tough, don't nay-say others that can. I for one am in favour of this.
I was being realistic rather than negative. If only 5% of Hobbit admins Are able to use this service then is it going to be that useful?
If a large proportion of admins can use it then go ahead, knock yourselves out.
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:18:13 -0500> From: josh at imaginenetworksllc.com> To: hobbit at hswn.dk> Subject: Re: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ?> > First off please note most IRC channels don't get questions answered> within a few hours. While it does happen from time to time it should> not be expected. Agree, one thing I like IRC about is the TCP oriented chatting(communication). You get yes or no answer. not like email(UDP broadcasting), you don't know the recepients actually read the email of your request/questions. IRC is a weird thing to block intentionally. SSH tunneling easily> avoids this, though. I was able to use Xchat(for windows) to pass internal firewall. but beaware it will show your company's firewall domain address. Another way is to use command line irc client from one's home network. tj> On 11/7/08, Ward, Martin <Martin.Ward at colt.net> wrote:> >> On Friday 07 November 2008 12:40:30 Ward, Martin wrote:> >>> I have no idea what freenode.net is or does, but if it's an IRC server> >>> then it's not going to work for a large number of us who use and> >>> maintain Hobbit in a work environment. I haven't worked for many> >>> companies in my time but I can guarantee that none of them> >>> allowed/allow IRC within their network, no matter how it is tunnelled.> >>>> >>> >> Sheesh, talk about negative. If you can't use it thats tough, don't> >> nay-say> >> others that can. I for one am in favour of this.> >> > I was being realistic rather than negative. If only 5% of Hobbit admins> > Are able to use this service then is it going to be that useful?> >> > If a large proportion of admins can use it then go ahead, knock yourselves> > out.> >> > |\/|artin> >> >> >> > *************************************************************************************> > The message is intended for the named addressee only and may not be> > disclosed to or used by anyone else, nor may it be copied in any way.> >> > The contents of this message and its attachments are confidential and may> > also be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the named addressee> > and/or have received this message in error, please advise us by e-mailing> > security at colt.net and delete the message and any attachments without> > retaining any copies.> >> > Internet communications are not secure and COLT does not accept> > responsibility for this message, its contents nor responsibility for any> > viruses.> >> > No contracts can be created or varied on behalf of COLT Telecommunications,> > its subsidiaries or affiliates ("COLT") and any other party by email> > Communications unless expressly agreed in writing with such other party.> >> > Please note that incoming emails will be automatically scanned to eliminate> > potential viruses and unsolicited promotional emails. For more information> > refer to www.colt.net or contact us on +44(0)20 7390 3900.> >> >> > To unsubscribe from the hobbit list, send an e-mail to> > hobbit-unsubscribe at hswn.dk> >> >> >> > -- > Sent from my mobile device> > Josh Luthman> Office: 937-552-2340> Direct: 937-552-2343> 1100 Wayne St> Suite 1337> Troy, OH 45373> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.> --- Henry Spencer> > To unsubscribe from the hobbit list, send an e-mail to> hobbit-unsubscribe at hswn.dk> >
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We could also setup CGI IRC somewhere...
On 11/7/08, T.J. Yang <tj_yang at hotmail.com> wrote:
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:18:13 -0500> From: josh at imaginenetworksllc.com> To: hobbit at hswn.dk> Subject: Re: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ?> > First off please note most IRC channels don't get questions answered> within a few hours. While it does happen from time to time it should> not be expected. Agree, one thing I like IRC about is the TCP oriented chatting(communication). You get yes or no answer. not like email(UDP broadcasting), you don't know the recepients actually read the email of your request/questions. IRC is a weird thing to block intentionally. SSH tunneling easily> avoids this, though. I was able to use Xchat(for windows) to pass internal firewall. but beaware it will show your company's firewall domain address. Another way is to use command line irc client from one's home network. tj> On 11/7/08, Ward, Martin <Martin.Ward at colt.net> wrote:> >> On Friday 07 November 2008 12:40:30 Ward, Martin wrote:> >>> I have no idea what freenode.net is or does, but if it's an IRC server> >>> then it's not going to work for a large number of us who use and> >>> maintain Hobbit in a work environment. I haven't worked for many> >>> companies in my time but I can guarantee that none of them> >>> allowed/allow IRC within their network, no matter how it is tunnelled.> >>>> >>> >> Sheesh, talk about negative. If you can't use it thats tough, don't> >> nay-say> >> others that can. I for one am in favour of this.> >> > I was being realistic rather than negative. If only 5% of Hobbit admins> > Are able to use this service then is it going to be that useful?> >> > If a large proportion of admins can use it then go ahead, knock yourselves> > out.> >> > |\/|artin> >> >> >> > *************************************************************************************> The message is intended for the named addressee only and may not be> > disclosed to or used by anyone else, nor may it be copied in any way.> >> > The contents of this message and its attachments are confidential and may> > also be subject to legal privilege. If you are not the named addressee> > and/or have received this message in error, please advise us by e-mailing> > security at colt.net and delete the message and any attachments without> > retaining any copies.> >> > Internet communications are not secure and COLT does not accept> > responsibility for this message, its contents nor responsibility for any> > viruses.> >> > No contracts can be created or varied on behalf of COLT Telecommunications,> > its subsidiaries or affiliates ("COLT") and any other party by email> > Communications unless expressly agreed in writing with such other party.> >> > Please note that incoming emails will be automatically scanned to eliminate> > potential viruses and unsolicited promotional emails. For more information> > refer to www.colt.net or contact us on +44(0)20 7390 3900.> >> >> > To unsubscribe from the hobbit list, send an e-mail to> > hobbit-unsubscribe at hswn.dk> >> >>
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I'd also appreciate if a hobbit channel was setup on freenode. There are many times when I've wished for it.
And, there are many other user communities which have found having channels invaluable, including VMware admins (208 active users atm) and Cisco NetEngs (~300 active users).
Certainly, monitoring isn't any less important - although, it's a testament to hobbit's reliability as it is that a mailing list has been sufficient to get by to date.
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for Successful Internet ApplicationsFrom: T.J. Yang [mailto:tj_yang at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:38 AM To: hobbit system monitoring Subject: RE: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ?
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:18:13 -0500 From: josh at imaginenetworksllc.com To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ?
First off please note most IRC channels don't get questions answered within a few hours. While it does happen from time to time it should not be expected.
Agree, one thing I like IRC about is the TCP oriented chatting(communication). You get yes or no answer. not like email(UDP broadcasting), you don't know the recepients actually read the email of your request/questions.
IRC is a weird thing to block intentionally. SSH tunneling easily avoids this, though.
I was able to use Xchat(for windows) to pass internal firewall. but beaware it will show your company's firewall domain address. Another way is to use command line irc client from one's home network. tj
On 11/7/08, Ward, Martin <Martin.Ward at colt.net> wrote:
On Friday 07 November 2008 12:40:30 Ward, Martin wrote:
I have no idea what freenode.net is or does, but if it's an IRC server then it's not going to work for a large number of us who use and maintain Hobbit in a work environment. I haven't worked for many companies in my time but I can guarantee that none of them allowed/allow IRC within their network, no matter how it is tunnelled.
Sheesh, talk about negative. If you can't use it thats tough, don't nay-say others that can. I for one am in favour of this.
I was being realistic rather than negative. If only 5% of Hobbit admins Are able to use this service then is it going to be that useful?
If a large proportion of admins can use it then go ahead, knock yourselves out.
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Don't know what it is either but it is block via our corparate
filtering. Most interactive things like chat and email services like
yahoo gmail are block. Though they missed a few obscure thing.
Ward, Martin wrote:
I have no idea what freenode.net is or does, but if it's an IRC server then it's not going to work for a large number of us who use and maintain Hobbit in a work environment. I haven't worked for many companies in my time but I can guarantee that none of them allowed/allow IRC within their network, no matter how it is tunnelled.
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-----Original Message----- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:josh at imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 07 November 2008 03:51 *To:* hobbit at hswn.dk *Subject:* Re: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ? Most IRC channels are like 80% social and 20% topic discussion =) It would be a place for Hobbit users to gather and offer help when someone manages to stumble in. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Rich Smrcina <rsmrcina at wi.rr.com <mailto:rsmrcina at wi.rr.com>> wrote: T.J. Yang wrote: *What : I like to suggest we create a hobbit/hobbitmon group/channel on freenode.net <http://freenode.net>* *Why: To provide instant way of hobbit related discussion.* *Where: * *http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml* Henrik, Do you support this idea ? tj Is the list server not fast enough? -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 To unsubscribe from the hobbit list, send an e-mail to hobbit-unsubscribe at hswn.dk <mailto:hobbit-unsubscribe at hswn.dk>
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On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:34 PM, T.J. Yang <tj_yang at hotmail.com> wrote:
*What : I like to suggest we create a hobbit/hobbitmon group/channel on freenode.net* *Why: To provide instant way of hobbit related discussion.* *Where: * *http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml*<http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml>
Henrik, Do you support this idea ?
tj
In <BAY138-DS55B20255AA18CE6B16EA39F190 at phx.gbl> "T.J. Yang" <tj_yang at hotmail.com> writes:
What : I like to suggest we create a hobbit/hobbitmon group/channel on = freenode.net Why: To provide instant way of hobbit related discussion. Where: http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml
Henrik, Do you support this idea ?
No objections at all. But I probably won't join an IRC channel to do Hob... (err) Xymon support; I've never been fond of instant- messaging systems.
Probably getting too old for that :-)
Regards, Henrik
To: hobbit at hswn.dk> From: henrik at hswn.dk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:01:32 +0000> Subject: Re: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ?> > In <BAY138-DS55B20255AA18CE6B16EA39F190 at phx.gbl> "T.J. Yang" <tj_yang at hotmail.com> writes:> > >What : I like to suggest we create a hobbit/hobbitmon group/channel on => >freenode.net> >Why: To provide instant way of hobbit related discussion.> >Where: http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml> > >Henrik, Do you support this idea ?> > > No objections at all. But I probably won't join an IRC channel to> do Hob... (err) Xymon support; I've never been fond of instant-> messaging systems. Any taker to get this done ? If no one step forward by next week. I will do the work to get it done.
tj> Probably getting too old for that :-)> > > Regards,> Henrik> > > To unsubscribe from the hobbit list, send an e-mail to> hobbit-unsubscribe at hswn.dk> >
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I will join if there is a xymon channel or hobbit for that matter
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:04 AM, T.J. Yang <tj_yang at hotmail.com> wrote:
To: hobbit at hswn.dk From: henrik at hswn.dk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:01:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ?
In <BAY138-DS55B20255AA18CE6B16EA39F190 at phx.gbl> "T.J. Yang" <tj_yang at hotmail.com> writes:
What : I like to suggest we create a hobbit/hobbitmon group/channel on = freenode.net Why: To provide instant way of hobbit related discussion. Where: http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml
Henrik, Do you support this idea ?
No objections at all. But I probably won't join an IRC channel to do Hob... (err) Xymon support; I've never been fond of instant- messaging systems.
Any taker to get this done ? If no one step forward by next week. I will do the work to get it done.
tj
Probably getting too old for that :-)
Regards, Henrik
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Let's make a #xymon and bring all Xymon/shire/Hobbit/etc related discussion.
Who knows how to work that Freenode magic?
On 11/10/08, Asif Iqbal <vadud3 at gmail.com> wrote:
I will join if there is a xymon channel or hobbit for that matter
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:04 AM, T.J. Yang <tj_yang at hotmail.com> wrote:
To: hobbit at hswn.dk From: henrik at hswn.dk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:01:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ?
In <BAY138-DS55B20255AA18CE6B16EA39F190 at phx.gbl> "T.J. Yang" <tj_yang at hotmail.com> writes:
What : I like to suggest we create a hobbit/hobbitmon group/channel on = freenode.net Why: To provide instant way of hobbit related discussion. Where: http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml
Henrik, Do you support this idea ?
No objections at all. But I probably won't join an IRC channel to do Hob... (err) Xymon support; I've never been fond of instant- messaging systems.
Any taker to get this done ? If no one step forward by next week. I will do the work to get it done.
tj
Probably getting too old for that :-)
Regards, Henrik
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On Monday 10 November 2008 20:38:11 Josh Luthman wrote:
Let's make a #xymon and bring all Xymon/shire/Hobbit/etc related discussion.
Who knows how to work that Freenode magic?
I'm there now. No idea how to formalise it though.
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From: "Wayne Gemmell" <wayne at flashmedia.co.za> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:31 AM To: <hobbit at hswn.dk> Subject: Re: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ?
On Monday 10 November 2008 20:38:11 Josh Luthman wrote:
Let's make a #xymon and bring all Xymon/shire/Hobbit/etc related discussion.
Who knows how to work that Freenode magic?
I'm there now. No idea how to formalise it though.
Same here.
I try to apply for a xymon channel via following url.
http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml
I filled in all the need fields and hit submit. But all of this look like just a registration of group contact. The actual creation of #xymon channel is not clear to me. I am using ChatZilla and type in #xymon, and looks like I am in the channel by myself. can other people with irc client try to join irc://freenode/xymon ?
Or better yet, can some body with experience of setting up irc channel step forward to do the work ?
tj
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#xymon is open for chatting to kill your spare time.
But seriously, lets make #xymon a good place to ask questions and extend the hospitality here to #xymon.
Thanks for pushling and myon's help setting up the channel.
tj
From: "Asif Iqbal" <vadud3 at gmail.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:02 PM To: <hobbit at hswn.dk> Subject: Re: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ?
I will join if there is a xymon channel or hobbit for that matter
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:04 AM, T.J. Yang <tj_yang at hotmail.com> wrote:
To: hobbit at hswn.dk From: henrik at hswn.dk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:01:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [hobbit] Adding hobbit on freenode ?
In <BAY138-DS55B20255AA18CE6B16EA39F190 at phx.gbl> "T.J. Yang" <tj_yang at hotmail.com> writes:
What : I like to suggest we create a hobbit/hobbitmon group/channel on
freenode.net Why: To provide instant way of hobbit related discussion. Where: http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml
Henrik, Do you support this idea ?
No objections at all. But I probably won't join an IRC channel to do Hob... (err) Xymon support; I've never been fond of instant- messaging systems.
Any taker to get this done ? If no one step forward by next week. I will do the work to get it done.
tj
Probably getting too old for that :-)
Regards, Henrik
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matt＠deploylinux.net
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wayne＠flashmedia.co.za