Hi.
Why not use a cron job then?
Afaik, hobbit is not designed to be a deployment server.
Regards,
Sigurður Guðbrandsson.
From: Sanu Mathew [mailto:mathew.sanu at gmail.com] Sent: 4. nóvember 2008 20:47 To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Hobbit: Run Scripts
Hi Gary,
This script needs to be run on all machines monitored by hobbit. The script can be placed on all servers (a tedious job though - unless we cant run the script from the hobbit server to the clients). The script gives a snapshot of the server, which helps us in case of rebuilds.
Its not in response to a monitored condition, but is a generic script which gives the snapshot, and would run regardless of any specific condition.
Regards, Sanu
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Gary Baluha <gumby3203 at gmail.com> wrote:
Is the script to be run only on the machines monitored by Hobbit, and is it already on those machines? What is the script trying to do?
If the script is in response to a monitored condition, the best way to accomplish that would be different than if it just runs at a specific time regardless of any specific condition, which is why I ask.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Sanu Mathew <mathew.sanu at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I am looking at being able to run a global script on all servers that are monitored by Hobbit. How can i accomplish this task? (The script is created by us and I am looking at incorporating this script to run at a specific time weekly)
Any help/suggestion would be great.
Regards, Sanu
cron will need to be set on all servers, am looking at reducing crons and looking if hobbit can do this task.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Sigurður Guðbrandsson <sigurdur at raforninn.is
wrote:
Hi.
Why not use a cron job then?
Afaik, hobbit is not designed to be a deployment server.
Regards,
Sigurður Guðbrandsson.
*From:* Sanu Mathew [mailto:mathew.sanu at gmail.com] *Sent:* 4. nóvember 2008 20:47 *To:* hobbit at hswn.dk *Subject:* Re: [hobbit] Hobbit: Run Scripts
Hi Gary,
This script needs to be run on all machines monitored by hobbit. The script can be placed on all servers (a tedious job though - unless we cant run the script from the hobbit server to the clients). The script gives a snapshot of the server, which helps us in case of rebuilds.
Its not in response to a monitored condition, but is a generic script which gives the snapshot, and would run regardless of any specific condition.
Regards, Sanu
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Gary Baluha <gumby3203 at gmail.com> wrote:
Is the script to be run only on the machines monitored by Hobbit, and is it already on those machines? What is the script trying to do?
If the script is in response to a monitored condition, the best way to accomplish that would be different than if it just runs at a specific time regardless of any specific condition, which is why I ask.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Sanu Mathew <mathew.sanu at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I am looking at being able to run a global script on all servers that are monitored by Hobbit. How can i accomplish this task? (The script is created by us and I am looking at incorporating this script to run at a specific time weekly)
Any help/suggestion would be great.
Regards, Sanu
Something like cfEngine may be more along the lines of what you are looking for. While it's possible to configure Hobbit to do this, it's sort of going beyond what it is meant as: a monitoring system.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Sanu Mathew <mathew.sanu at gmail.com> wrote:
cron will need to be set on all servers, am looking at reducing crons and looking if hobbit can do this task.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Sigurður Guðbrandsson < sigurdur at raforninn.is> wrote:
Hi.
Why not use a cron job then?
Afaik, hobbit is not designed to be a deployment server.
Regards,
Sigurður Guðbrandsson.
*From:* Sanu Mathew [mailto:mathew.sanu at gmail.com] *Sent:* 4. nóvember 2008 20:47 *To:* hobbit at hswn.dk *Subject:* Re: [hobbit] Hobbit: Run Scripts
Hi Gary,
This script needs to be run on all machines monitored by hobbit. The script can be placed on all servers (a tedious job though - unless we cant run the script from the hobbit server to the clients). The script gives a snapshot of the server, which helps us in case of rebuilds.
Its not in response to a monitored condition, but is a generic script which gives the snapshot, and would run regardless of any specific condition.
Regards, Sanu
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Gary Baluha <gumby3203 at gmail.com> wrote:
Is the script to be run only on the machines monitored by Hobbit, and is it already on those machines? What is the script trying to do?
If the script is in response to a monitored condition, the best way to accomplish that would be different than if it just runs at a specific time regardless of any specific condition, which is why I ask.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Sanu Mathew <mathew.sanu at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I am looking at being able to run a global script on all servers that are monitored by Hobbit. How can i accomplish this task? (The script is created by us and I am looking at incorporating this script to run at a specific time weekly)
Any help/suggestion would be great.
Regards, Sanu
Glad to see hobbit got a new name.
But there is still one thing important missing.
Do we want to tackle the design logo icon at this time also ?
tj
Such a shame something like this couldnt be used - seems like a perfect choice, albeit an infringment on another copyright: www.granneman.com/images/miltonBradleySimon.jpg
Phil
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 11:47 +0000, Phil Meech wrote:
Such a shame something like this couldnt be used - seems like a perfect choice, albeit an infringment on another copyright: www.granneman.com/images/miltonBradleySimon.jpg
No, it looks too much like the MS Window's logo...
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"McDonald, Dan" Dan.McDonald at austinenergy.com> 11/10/2008 7:08 AM >> ( mailto:Dan.McDonald at austinenergy.com> ) No, it looks too much like the MS Window's logo... :D
How about something similar, but instead of an X, make it a Y with green, yellow and red buttons?
Paul
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On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 11:47 +0000, Phil Meech wrote:
Such a shame something like this couldnt be used - seems like a perfect choice, albeit an infringment on another copyright: www.granneman.com/images/miltonBradleySimon.jpg
No, it looks too much like the MS Window's logo...
Yeah, I think it looks quite ugly too :-)
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I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my insanity
We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display
So some sort of traffic light logo with
X imposed on the red light - we don't want that
Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber
And MON with the O as the green light.
Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual look.
Right I'll crawl back under my stone now
;-)
AJ.
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From: T.J. Yang [mailto:tj_yang at hotmail.com] Sent: 08 November 2008 19:31 To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
Glad to see hobbit got a new name.
But there is still one thing important missing.
Do we want to tackle the design logo icon at this time also ?
tj
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Sort of like the Martian Probe from "The War of the Worlds" http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/gall_f16.htm ?
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-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Jackson [mailto:Andrew.Jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 09:06 To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my insanity
We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display
So some sort of traffic light logo with
X imposed on the red light - we don't want that
Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber
And MON with the O as the green light.
Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual look.
Right I'll crawl back under my stone now
Andrew Jackson UNIX Systems Administrator Server & Storage Services, Ordnance Survey Room C633, Romsey Road, SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom, SO16 4GU Phone: +44 (0) 23 8079 2848 | Fax: +44 (0) 23 8079 2757 www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk <http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/> | andrew.jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk
Uh, let's not go with something else that might be copyrighted... :)
Ralph Mitchell
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Kern, Thomas <Thomas.Kern at hq.doe.gov>wrote:
Sort of like the Martian Probe from "The War of the Worlds" http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/gall_f16.htm ?
/Thomas Kern /301-903-2211 (O) /301-905-6427 (M)
-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Jackson [mailto:Andrew.Jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 09:06 To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my insanity
We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display
So some sort of traffic light logo with
X imposed on the red light - we don't want that
Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber
And MON with the O as the green light.
Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual look.
Right I'll crawl back under my stone now
Andrew Jackson UNIX Systems Administrator Server & Storage Services, Ordnance Survey Room C633, Romsey Road, SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom, SO16 4GU Phone: +44 (0) 23 8079 2848 | Fax: +44 (0) 23 8079 2757 www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk <http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/> | andrew.jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk
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I agree. Let's not rush into this. Remember, we live in a world where lawyers prowl, and they will sue you, simply because your logo looks a little bit like theirs, or uses the same colours as theirs, or makes people crap the same colour as their logo does. Hobbit worked fine for years without a logo, as did Linux, and many other products out there.
I am not saying we need to wait years before we come up with a logo, I just don't believe we need to rush into this. Sometimes, when something doesn't need to be done, it is important that it isn't done.
Regards Vernon
From: Ralph Mitchell [mailto:ralphmitchell at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 10 November 2008 11:41 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
Uh, let's not go with something else that might be copyrighted... :)
Ralph Mitchell
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Kern, Thomas <Thomas.Kern at hq.doe.gov<mailto:Thomas.Kern at hq.doe.gov>> wrote: Sort of like the Martian Probe from "The War of the Worlds" http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/gall_f16.htm ?
/Thomas Kern /301-903-2211 (O) /301-905-6427 (M)
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I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my insanity
We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display
So some sort of traffic light logo with
X imposed on the red light - we don't want that
Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber
And MON with the O as the green light.
Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual look.
Right I'll crawl back under my stone now
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Agree, no rush but I hope this task should be going on at lesser priority.
see xym.jpg in this attached email(it is only 16KB) so I think it is ok to be sent via this email. I don't know engough about GIMP yet. I hope the "X" has four hobbit colors in the devided four sections. let me know if you want the xym.xcf gimp file to continue the work.
I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer. I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also. Regards T.J. Yang
From: Vernon.Everett at woodside.com.auTo: hobbit at hswn.dkDate: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:55:09 +0900Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ? I agree. Let's not rush into this. Remember, we live in a world where lawyers prowl, and they will sue you, simply because your logo looks a little bit like theirs, or uses the same colours as theirs, or makes people crap the same colour as their logo does. Hobbit worked fine for years without a logo, as did Linux, and many other products out there.
I am not saying we need to wait years before we come up with a logo, I just don't believe we need to rush into this. Sometimes, when something doesn't need to be done, it is important that it isn't done.
Regards Vernon
From: Ralph Mitchell [mailto:ralphmitchell at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 10 November 2008 11:41 PMTo: hobbit at hswn.dkSubject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ? Uh, let's not go with something else that might be copyrighted... :)Ralph Mitchell On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Kern, Thomas <Thomas.Kern at hq.doe.gov> wrote: Sort of like the Martian Probe from "The War of the Worlds"http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/gall_f16.htm ?/Thomas Kern/301-903-2211 (O)/301-905-6427 (M)
-----Original Message-----> From: Andrew Jackson [mailto:Andrew.Jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk]> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 09:06> To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?>> I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my> insanity>> We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display>> So some sort of traffic light logo with>> X imposed on the red light - we don't want that>> Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber>> And MON with the O as the green light.>> Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual> look.>> Right I'll crawl back under my stone now> Andrew Jackson> UNIX Systems Administrator> Server & Storage Services, Ordnance Survey> Room C633, Romsey Road, SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom, SO16 4GU> Phone: +44 (0) 23 8079 2848 | Fax: +44 (0) 23 8079 2757> www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk <http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/> | andrew.jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk
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On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:44 AM, T.J. Yang <tj_yang at hotmail.com> wrote:
Agree, no rush but I hope this task should be going on at lesser priority.
see xym.jpg in this attached email(it is only 16KB) so I think it is ok to be sent via this email. I don't know engough about GIMP yet. I hope the "X" has four hobbit colors in the devided four sections. let me know if you want the xym.xcf gimp file to continue the work.
I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer. I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also.
me too!
Regards
T.J. Yang
From: Vernon.Everett at woodside.com.au To: hobbit at hswn.dk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:55:09 +0900 Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
I agree. Let's not rush into this. Remember, we live in a world where lawyers prowl, and they will sue you, simply because your logo looks a little bit like theirs, or uses the same colours as theirs, or makes people crap the same colour as their logo does. Hobbit worked fine for years without a logo, as did Linux, and many other products out there.
I am not saying we need to wait years before we come up with a logo, I just don't believe we need to rush into this. Sometimes, when something doesn't need to be done, it is important that it isn't done.
Regards Vernon
From: Ralph Mitchell [mailto:ralphmitchell at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 10 November 2008 11:41 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
Uh, let's not go with something else that might be copyrighted... :)
Ralph Mitchell
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Kern, Thomas <Thomas.Kern at hq.doe.gov> wrote:
Sort of like the Martian Probe from "The War of the Worlds" http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/gall_f16.htm ?
/Thomas Kern /301-903-2211 (O) /301-905-6427 (M)
-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Jackson [mailto:Andrew.Jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 09:06 To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my insanity
We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display
So some sort of traffic light logo with
X imposed on the red light - we don't want that
Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber
And MON with the O as the green light.
Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual look.
Right I'll crawl back under my stone now
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Yes ! Y our barely ok, Corporate type hate "cute" logos./icons and the' re distrustful enough when not ask to pay $1000s for a product.
|I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer. |I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also. T.J. Yang wrote:
Agree, no rush but I hope this task should be going on at lesser priority.
see xym.jpg in this attached email(it is only 16KB) so I think it is ok to be sent via this email. I don't know engough about GIMP yet. I hope the "X" has four hobbit colors in the devided four sections. let me know if you want the xym.xcf gimp file to continue the work.
I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer. I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also.
Regards
T.J. Yang
From: Vernon.Everett at woodside.com.au To: hobbit at hswn.dk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:55:09 +0900 Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
I agree. Let's not rush into this. Remember, we live in a world where lawyers prowl, and they will sue you, simply because your logo looks a little bit like theirs, or uses the same colours as theirs, or makes people crap the same colour as their logo does. Hobbit worked fine for years without a logo, as did Linux, and many other products out there.
I am not saying we need to wait years before we come up with a logo, I just don't believe we need to rush into this. Sometimes, when something doesn't need to be done, it is important that it isn't done.
Regards Vernon
*From:* Ralph Mitchell [mailto:ralphmitchell at gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, 10 November 2008 11:41 PM *To:* hobbit at hswn.dk *Subject:* Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
Uh, let's not go with something else that might be copyrighted... :)
Ralph Mitchell
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Kern, Thomas <Thomas.Kern at hq.doe.gov <mailto:Thomas.Kern at hq.doe.gov>> wrote:
Sort of like the Martian Probe from "The War of the Worlds" http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/gall_f16.htm ? /Thomas Kern /301-903-2211 (O) /301-905-6427 (M) > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Jackson [mailto:Andrew.Jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk <mailto:Andrew.Jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk>] > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 09:06 > To: hobbit at hswn.dk <mailto:hobbit at hswn.dk> > Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ? > > I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my > insanity > > We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display > > So some sort of traffic light logo with > > X imposed on the red light - we don't want that > > Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber > > And MON with the O as the green light. > > Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual > look. > > Right I'll crawl back under my stone now > > Andrew Jackson > UNIX Systems Administrator > Server & Storage Services, Ordnance Survey > Room C633, Romsey Road, SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom, SO16 4GU > Phone: +44 (0) 23 8079 2848 | Fax: +44 (0) 23 8079 2757 > www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk <http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/> <http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/> | > andrew.jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk <mailto:andrew.jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk> To unsubscribe from the hobbit list, send an e-mail to hobbit-unsubscribe at hswn.dk <mailto:hobbit-unsubscribe at hswn.dk>NOTICE: This email and any attachments are confidential. They may contain legally privileged information or copyright material. You must not read, copy, use or disclose them without authorisation. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact us at once by return email and then delete both messages and all attachments.
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That's always been one of the things I've never understood about companies...they don't think they are getting worthwhile software unless they pay through the nose for it. Trust you admins and let them decide if it's worthwhile. They're the ones that will be using it day to day. I'll be the first to admit that there are some FOSS projects that aren't worth what you pay or them but they either get forked by people who care to make it better or they disappear altogether.
=G=
From: michael nemeth [mailto:michael.nemeth at lmco.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:26 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
Yes ! Y our barely ok, Corporate type hate "cute" logos./icons and the' re distrustful enough when not ask to pay $1000s for a product.
|I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer. |I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also. T.J. Yang wrote: Agree, no rush but I hope this task should be going on at lesser priority.
see xym.jpg in this attached email(it is only 16KB) so I think it is ok to be sent via this email. I don't know engough about GIMP yet. I hope the "X" has four hobbit colors in the devided four sections. let me know if you want the xym.xcf gimp file to continue the work.
I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer. I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also.
Regards
T.J. Yang
From: Vernon.Everett at woodside.com.au<mailto:Vernon.Everett at woodside.com.au> To: hobbit at hswn.dk<mailto:hobbit at hswn.dk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:55:09 +0900 Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
I agree. Let's not rush into this. Remember, we live in a world where lawyers prowl, and they will sue you, simply because your logo looks a little bit like theirs, or uses the same colours as theirs, or makes people crap the same colour as their logo does. Hobbit worked fine for years without a logo, as did Linux, and many other products out there.
I am not saying we need to wait years before we come up with a logo, I just don't believe we need to rush into this. Sometimes, when something doesn't need to be done, it is important that it isn't done.
Regards Vernon
From: Ralph Mitchell [mailto:ralphmitchell at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 10 November 2008 11:41 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk<mailto:hobbit at hswn.dk> Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ? Uh, let's not go with something else that might be copyrighted... :)
Ralph Mitchell
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Kern, Thomas <Thomas.Kern at hq.doe.gov<mailto:Thomas.Kern at hq.doe.gov>> wrote: Sort of like the Martian Probe from "The War of the Worlds" http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/gall_f16.htm ?
/Thomas Kern /301-903-2211 (O) /301-905-6427 (M)
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I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my insanity
We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display
So some sort of traffic light logo with
X imposed on the red light - we don't want that
Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber
And MON with the O as the green light.
Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual look.
Right I'll crawl back under my stone now
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This is a off topic of xymon logo.
But this bring up another issue/concern of mine(as an Unix admin) twoward Xymon.
"Not able to pay for Xymon for support service from a company"
This is feedback/comment I got from mangement (of mine).
Trying to understand why, from their perspective and I think I got the answer as following.
Management want to avoid the lock-in from admin also. They want your in-depth knowledge of the tool become a serivce that management can get from other sources, not just in-house admins.
tj yang
From: Galen.Johnson at sas.comTo: hobbit at hswn.dkDate: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:41:41 -0500Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
That's always been one of the things I've never understood about companies...they don't think they are getting worthwhile software unless they pay through the nose for it. Trust you admins and let them decide if it's worthwhile. They're the ones that will be using it day to day. I'll be the first to admit that there are some FOSS projects that aren't worth what you pay or them but they either get forked by people who care to make it better or they disappear altogether.
=G=
From: michael nemeth [mailto:michael.nemeth at lmco.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:26 PMTo: hobbit at hswn.dkSubject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
Yes ! Y our barely ok, Corporate type hate "cute" logos./icons and the' re distrustful enough when not ask to pay $1000s for a product. |I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer.|I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also.T.J. Yang wrote: Agree, no rush but I hope this task should be going on at lesser priority. see xym.jpg in this attached email(it is only 16KB) so I think it is ok to be sent via this email.I don't know engough about GIMP yet. I hope the "X" has four hobbit colors in the devided four sections.let me know if you want the xym.xcf gimp file to continue the work. I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer.I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also.RegardsT.J. Yang
From: Vernon.Everett at woodside.com.auTo: hobbit at hswn.dkDate: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:55:09 +0900Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ? I agree. Let's not rush into this. Remember, we live in a world where lawyers prowl, and they will sue you, simply because your logo looks a little bit like theirs, or uses the same colours as theirs, or makes people crap the same colour as their logo does. Hobbit worked fine for years without a logo, as did Linux, and many other products out there.
I am not saying we need to wait years before we come up with a logo, I just don't believe we need to rush into this. Sometimes, when something doesn't need to be done, it is important that it isn't done.
Regards Vernon
From: Ralph Mitchell [mailto:ralphmitchell at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 10 November 2008 11:41 PMTo: hobbit at hswn.dkSubject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ? Uh, let's not go with something else that might be copyrighted... :)Ralph Mitchell
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Kern, Thomas <Thomas.Kern at hq.doe.gov> wrote: Sort of like the Martian Probe from "The War of the Worlds"http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/gall_f16.htm ?/Thomas Kern/301-903-2211 (O)/301-905-6427 (M)
-----Original Message-----> From: Andrew Jackson [mailto:Andrew.Jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk]> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 09:06> To: hobbit at hswn.dk
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?>> I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my> insanity>> We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display>> So some sort of traffic light logo with>> X imposed on the red light - we don't want that>> Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber>> And MON with the O as the green light.>> Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual> look.>> Right I'll crawl back under my stone now>
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T.J. Yang wrote:
This is a off topic of xymon logo.
But this bring up another issue/concern of mine(as an Unix admin) twoward Xymon.
"Not able to pay for Xymon for support service from a company"
This is feedback/comment I got from mangement (of mine).
Trying to understand why, from their perspective and I think I got the answer as following.
Management want to avoid the lock-in from admin also. They want your in-depth knowledge of the tool become a serivce that management can get from other sources, not just in-house admins.
tj yang
We've offered configuration and management services for Hobbit and have had a couple of queries, but no hits.
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Hmm maybe this is an item for the wiki. If possible user know they can contract for help the may be more willing to try,
*Support services and Consultants.*
Give me an idea for my retirement in February!
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T.J. Yang wrote:
This is a off topic of xymon logo.
But this bring up another issue/concern of mine(as an Unix admin) twoward Xymon.
"Not able to pay for Xymon for support service from a company"
This is feedback/comment I got from mangement (of mine).
Trying to understand why, from their perspective and I think I got the answer as following.
Management want to avoid the lock-in from admin also. They want your in-depth knowledge of the tool become a serivce that management can get from other sources, not just in-house admins.
tj yang
We've offered configuration and management services for Hobbit and have had a couple of queries, but no hits.
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:21:47 -0600> From: rsmrcina at wi.rr.com> To: hobbit at hswn.dk> Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?> > T.J. Yang wrote:> > > > This is a off topic of xymon logo.> > > > But this bring up another issue/concern of mine(as an Unix admin) > > twoward Xymon.> > > > "Not able to pay for Xymon for support service from a company"> > > > This is feedback/comment I got from mangement (of mine).> > > > Trying to understand why, from their perspective and I think I got the > > answer as following.> > > > Management want to avoid the lock-in from admin also. They want your > > in-depth knowledge> > of the tool become a serivce that management can get from other > > sources, not just in-house admins.> > > > > > tj yang> > We've offered configuration and management services for Hobbit and have had a couple of > queries, but no hits.
I believe at the time of our need for commercial support, VM Assite Inc.'s service was not available at that time. I now add you company in at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/User_Guide#Commerc... Please provide more detail of your Xymon support service.
We went with TWW for their software packaging service but the technical support part was dropped and it is hard to get the budget back given current economic situation that every company is facing.
tj
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Thought I'd throw my design into the hat....
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That's a bit of a fallacious argument. How does a commercial product make that different? If a solution is useful, regardless of whether it is commercial or free (or "better than free"), the knowledge base is available...if anything, it's better since we know what the code looks like and (if so inclined) are able to fix the shortcomings ourselves.
=G=
From: T.J. Yang [mailto:tj_yang at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:01 PM To: hobbit system monitoring Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
This is a off topic of xymon logo.
But this bring up another issue/concern of mine(as an Unix admin) twoward Xymon.
"Not able to pay for Xymon for support service from a company"
This is feedback/comment I got from mangement (of mine).
Trying to understand why, from their perspective and I think I got the answer as following.
Management want to avoid the lock-in from admin also. They want your in-depth knowledge of the tool become a serivce that management can get from other sources, not just in-house admins.
tj yang
From: Galen.Johnson at sas.com To: hobbit at hswn.dk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:41:41 -0500 Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
That's always been one of the things I've never understood about companies...they don't think they are getting worthwhile software unless they pay through the nose for it. Trust you admins and let them decide if it's worthwhile. They're the ones that will be using it day to day. I'll be the first to admit that there are some FOSS projects that aren't worth what you pay or them but they either get forked by people who care to make it better or they disappear altogether.
=G=
From: michael nemeth [mailto:michael.nemeth at lmco.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:26 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
Yes ! Y our barely ok, Corporate type hate "cute" logos./icons and the' re distrustful enough when not ask to pay $1000s for a product.
|I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer. |I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also. T.J. Yang wrote: Agree, no rush but I hope this task should be going on at lesser priority.
see xym.jpg in this attached email(it is only 16KB) so I think it is ok to be sent via this email. I don't know engough about GIMP yet. I hope the "X" has four hobbit colors in the devided four sections. let me know if you want the xym.xcf gimp file to continue the work.
I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer. I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also.
Regards
T.J. Yang
From: Vernon.Everett at woodside.com.au<mailto:Vernon.Everett at woodside.com.au> To: hobbit at hswn.dk<mailto:hobbit at hswn.dk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:55:09 +0900 Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ? I agree. Let's not rush into this. Remember, we live in a world where lawyers prowl, and they will sue you, simply because your logo looks a little bit like theirs, or uses the same colours as theirs, or makes people crap the same colour as their logo does. Hobbit worked fine for years without a logo, as did Linux, and many other products out there.
I am not saying we need to wait years before we come up with a logo, I just don't believe we need to rush into this. Sometimes, when something doesn't need to be done, it is important that it isn't done.
Regards Vernon
From: Ralph Mitchell [mailto:ralphmitchell at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 10 November 2008 11:41 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk<mailto:hobbit at hswn.dk> Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ? Uh, let's not go with something else that might be copyrighted... :)
Ralph Mitchell On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Kern, Thomas <Thomas.Kern at hq.doe.gov<mailto:Thomas.Kern at hq.doe.gov>> wrote: Sort of like the Martian Probe from "The War of the Worlds" http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/gall_f16.htm ?
/Thomas Kern /301-903-2211 (O) /301-905-6427 (M)
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I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my insanity
We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display
So some sort of traffic light logo with
X imposed on the red light - we don't want that
Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber
And MON with the O as the green light.
Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual look.
Right I'll crawl back under my stone now
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I think there's a certain amount of "who can we sue if it breaks" mentality. If a company contracts to pay $$$$ for a product, that gives them a big stick to beat the supplier with in the event that something goes wrong, to either fix the product or get their money back. If the product is free, worked on by a couple of guys in their spare time, there's no contract and no comeback if it breaks.
Ralph Mitchell
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Galen Johnson <Galen.Johnson at sas.com>wrote:
That's a bit of a fallacious argument. How does a commercial product make that different? If a solution is useful, regardless of whether it is commercial or free (or "better than free"), the knowledge base is available...if anything, it's better since we know what the code looks like and (if so inclined) are able to fix the shortcomings ourselves.
=G=
*From:* T.J. Yang [mailto:tj_yang at hotmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2008 1:01 PM *To:* hobbit system monitoring
*Subject:* RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
This is a off topic of xymon logo.
But this bring up another issue/concern of mine(as an Unix admin) twoward Xymon.
"Not able to pay for Xymon for support service from a company"
This is feedback/comment I got from mangement (of mine).
Trying to understand why, from their perspective and I think I got the answer as following.
Management want to avoid the lock-in from admin also. They want your in-depth knowledge of the tool become a serivce that management can get from other sources, not just in-house admins.
tj yang
From: Galen.Johnson at sas.com To: hobbit at hswn.dk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:41:41 -0500 Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
That's always been one of the things I've never understood about companies...they don't think they are getting worthwhile software unless they pay through the nose for it. Trust you admins and let them decide if it's worthwhile. They're the ones that will be using it day to day. I'll be the first to admit that there are some FOSS projects that aren't worth what you pay or them but they either get forked by people who care to make it better or they disappear altogether.
=G=
*From:* michael nemeth [mailto:michael.nemeth at lmco.com] *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2008 12:26 PM *To:* hobbit at hswn.dk *Subject:* Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
Yes ! Y our barely ok, Corporate type hate "cute" logos./icons and the' re distrustful enough when not ask to pay $1000s for a product.
|I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer. |I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also. T.J. Yang wrote:
Agree, no rush but I hope this task should be going on at lesser priority.
see xym.jpg in this attached email(it is only 16KB) so I think it is ok to be sent via this email. I don't know engough about GIMP yet. I hope the "X" has four hobbit colors in the devided four sections. let me know if you want the xym.xcf gimp file to continue the work.
I think logo design should be designed by the icon professional designer. I am willing to pitch in money for this cost also.
Regards
T.J. Yang
From: Vernon.Everett at woodside.com.au To: hobbit at hswn.dk Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:55:09 +0900 Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
I agree.
Let's not rush into this.
Remember, we live in a world where lawyers prowl, and they will sue you, simply because your logo looks a little bit like theirs, or uses the same colours as theirs, or makes people crap the same colour as their logo does.
Hobbit worked fine for years without a logo, as did Linux, and many other products out there.
I am not saying we need to wait years before we come up with a logo, I just don't believe we need to rush into this.
Sometimes, when something doesn't need to be done, it is important that it isn't done.
Regards
Vernon------------------------------
*From:* Ralph Mitchell [mailto:ralphmitchell at gmail.com<ralphmitchell at gmail.com>]
*Sent:* Monday, 10 November 2008 11:41 PM *To:* hobbit at hswn.dk *Subject:* Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
Uh, let's not go with something else that might be copyrighted... :)
Ralph Mitchell
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Kern, Thomas <Thomas.Kern at hq.doe.gov> wrote:
Sort of like the Martian Probe from "The War of the Worlds" http://www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/gall_f16.htm ?
/Thomas Kern /301-903-2211 (O) /301-905-6427 (M)
-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Jackson [mailto:Andrew.Jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 09:06 To: hobbit at hswn.dk
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my insanity
We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display
So some sort of traffic light logo with
X imposed on the red light - we don't want that
Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber
And MON with the O as the green light.
Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual look.
Right I'll crawl back under my stone now
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In <997a524e0811101043u13b3247fxc636096c7a74c8a4 at mail.gmail.com> "Ralph Mitchell" <ralphmitchell at gmail.com> writes:
I think there's a certain amount of "who can we sue if it breaks" mentality. If a company contracts to pay $$$$ for a product, that gives them a big stick to beat the supplier with in the event that something goes wrong, to either fix the product or get their money back. If the product is free, worked on by a couple of guys in their spare time, there's no contract and no comeback if it breaks.
Hey, I'll give people their money back if they're not satisfied! All $0.00 of it!
The funny thing about this argument is
a) all software licenses I've seen have enough disclaimers in them that any lawyer would have no problem fending off a lawsuit. So the "we'll sue you if this doesn't get fixed" threat is meaningless. (Can anyone point to a succesful lawsuit where a software vendor had to pay for deficiencies in their product? I don't know of any).
b) the free software either pays off immediately, or it is junked. If it pays off you win; if not, you've lost nothing but a couple of days work by your techs - no big loss.
The economics seem simple enough to me. Maybe that's why I'm a techie, not a manager :-)
Regards, Henrik
I can tell you that I read a story about someone reading a EULA, AUP, etc agreement with a clause that read "If you are the first to call xxx-xxx-xxxx you will get a free $300 since you took the time to read this". Turns out the company honestly gave out $300.
Since then I anticipate it hasn't been done, though =)
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On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Henrik Størner <henrik at hswn.dk> wrote:
In <997a524e0811101043u13b3247fxc636096c7a74c8a4 at mail.gmail.com> "Ralph Mitchell" <ralphmitchell at gmail.com> writes:
I think there's a certain amount of "who can we sue if it breaks" mentality. If a company contracts to pay $$$$ for a product, that gives them a big stick to beat the supplier with in the event that something goes wrong, to either fix the product or get their money back. If the product is free, worked on by a couple of guys in their spare time, there's no contract and no comeback if it breaks.
Hey, I'll give people their money back if they're not satisfied! All $0.00 of it!
The funny thing about this argument is
a) all software licenses I've seen have enough disclaimers in them that any lawyer would have no problem fending off a lawsuit. So the "we'll sue you if this doesn't get fixed" threat is meaningless. (Can anyone point to a succesful lawsuit where a software vendor had to pay for deficiencies in their product? I don't know of any).
b) the free software either pays off immediately, or it is junked. If it pays off you win; if not, you've lost nothing but a couple of days work by your techs - no big loss.
The economics seem simple enough to me. Maybe that's why I'm a techie, not a manager :-)
Regards, Henrik
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-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Jackson [mailto:Andrew.Jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 09:06 To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my insanity
We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display
So some sort of traffic light logo with
X imposed on the red light - we don't want that
Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber
And MON with the O as the green light.
Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the
actual look.Right I'll crawl back under my stone now
Here is a quick try.....
Not bad , Eye catching but not to "cute" . John Turner wrote:
> -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Jackson [mailto:Andrew.Jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 09:06 > To: hobbit at hswn.dk <mailto:hobbit at hswn.dk> > Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ? > > I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my > insanity > > We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display > > So some sort of traffic light logo with > > X imposed on the red light - we don't want that > > Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber > > And MON with the O as the green light. > > Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual > look. > > Right I'll crawl back under my stone nowHere is a quick try.....
Hi!
Try set it like this:
(X) (Y) M(O)N
And it might strike the eye a little better...
/Mathias
Från: michael nemeth [mailto:michael.nemeth at lmco.com] Skickat: den 11 november 2008 11:42 Till: hobbit at hswn.dk Ämne: Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
Not bad , Eye catching but not to "cute" . John Turner wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Jackson [mailto:Andrew.Jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 09:06 To: hobbit at hswn.dk<mailto:hobbit at hswn.dk> Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my insanity
We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display
So some sort of traffic light logo with
X imposed on the red light - we don't want that
Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber
And MON with the O as the green light.
Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual look.
Right I'll crawl back under my stone now
Here is a quick try.....
[cid:493062411 at 11112008-0D49]
I can make that change later today. I am away from my computer now.
John
On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Mathias Carlsson <Mathias.Carlsson at systeam.se
wrote:
Hi!
Try set it like this:
(X) (Y) M(O)N
And it might strike the eye a little better...
/Mathias Från: michael nemeth [mailto:michael.nemeth at lmco.com] Skickat: den 11 november 2008 11:42 Till: hobbit at hswn.dk Ämne: Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
Not bad , Eye catching but not to "cute" . John Turner wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Andrew Jackson [mailto:Andrew.Jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 09:06 To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my insanity
We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display
So some sort of traffic light logo with
X imposed on the red light - we don't want that
Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber
And MON with the O as the green light.
Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the
actual look.Right I'll crawl back under my stone now
Here is a quick try.....
<ATT00001.png>
I have always preferred horizontal logos myself...
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:08 PM, John Turner <ukcsgrad89 at mac.com> wrote:
On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Mathias Carlsson wrote:
Hi!
Try set it like this:
(X) (Y) M(O)N
And it might strike the eye a little better...
/Mathias
Okay here is the change.
John
In <961092e10811111328v1aba5ecan33275cf9771b8a57 at mail.gmail.com> "Josh Luthman" <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com> writes:
I have always preferred horizontal logos myself...
Me too. It integrates much better on the web page (at least until that design is also reworked completely).
I tried putting it on the demo website http://www.xymon.com/ Not bad - we need to work a bit on getting the menu aligned correctly, but this could work.
(If there's anyone out there with some web-design abilities, please speak up!)
Regards, Henrik
On bb.html should there be a big grey table?
bb2.html it is impossible to see the black letters on the black background.
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Henrik Størner <henrik at hswn.dk> wrote:
In <961092e10811111328v1aba5ecan33275cf9771b8a57 at mail.gmail.com> "Josh Luthman" <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com> writes:
I have always preferred horizontal logos myself...
Me too. It integrates much better on the web page (at least until that design is also reworked completely).
I tried putting it on the demo website http://www.xymon.com/ Not bad - we need to work a bit on getting the menu aligned correctly, but this could work.
(If there's anyone out there with some web-design abilities, please speak up!)
Regards, Henrik
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I posted my "blue-theme" a while back. I realize it is not a drastic change.
Here is an image, plus links to download it.
http://www.securitykb.com/hobbitmon/blue-theme_screenshot.gif http://www.securitykb.com/hobbitmon/
I tested it on 4.2.0, but I don't see any reason it won't work on newer versions as it is fairly simple.
Robert
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Henrik Størner <henrik at hswn.dk> wrote:
In <961092e10811111328v1aba5ecan33275cf9771b8a57 at mail.gmail.com> "Josh Luthman" <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com> writes:
I have always preferred horizontal logos myself...
Me too. It integrates much better on the web page (at least until that design is also reworked completely).
I tried putting it on the demo website http://www.xymon.com/ Not bad - we need to work a bit on getting the menu aligned correctly, but this could work.
(If there's anyone out there with some web-design abilities, please speak up!)
Regards, Henrik
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I like it !
.. thanks... i remember it ....
martinOn Tue, 11 Nov 2008, Robert Holden wrote:
I posted my "blue-theme" a while back. I realize it is not a drastic change.
Here is an image, plus links to download it.
http://www.securitykb.com/hobbitmon/blue-theme_screenshot.gif http://www.securitykb.com/hobbitmon/
I tested it on 4.2.0, but I don't see any reason it won't work on newer versions as it is fairly simple.
Robert
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Henrik Størner <henrik at hswn.dk> wrote:
In <961092e10811111328v1aba5ecan33275cf9771b8a57 at mail.gmail.com> "Josh Luthman" <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com> writes:
I have always preferred horizontal logos myself...
Me too. It integrates much better on the web page (at least until that design is also reworked completely).
I tried putting it on the demo website http://www.xymon.com/ Not bad - we need to work a bit on getting the menu aligned correctly, but this could work.
(If there's anyone out there with some web-design abilities, please speak up!)
Regards, Henrik
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Gruss
Martin FlemmingMartin Flemming DESY / IT office : Building 2b / 008a Notkestr. 85 phone : 040 - 8998 - 4667 22603 Hamburg mail : martin.flemming at desy.de
You know, a few weeks ago someone showed a reskinned Hobbit that looked nice. I am more interested in "skins" than I am in a new logo (we have managed to get by without one for years). Of course, the grand unification strategy might be to use the new logo as part of the default "skin."
GLH
-----Original Message----- From: Henrik "Størner [mailto:henrik at hswn.dk] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:54 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: SV: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
In <961092e10811111328v1aba5ecan33275cf9771b8a57 at mail.gmail.com> "Josh Luthman" <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com> writes:
I have always preferred horizontal logos myself...
Me too. It integrates much better on the web page (at least until that design is also reworked completely).
I tried putting it on the demo website http://www.xymon.com/ Not bad - we need to work a bit on getting the menu aligned correctly, but this could work.
(If there's anyone out there with some web-design abilities, please speak up!)
Regards, Henrik
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I like this one as well, but I thought I would throw one more in the mix, just because it's a little different, although again, a little more cutsie...
- Brian
-----Original Message----- From: Henrik "Størner [mailto:henrik at hswn.dk] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:54 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: SV: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
In <961092e10811111328v1aba5ecan33275cf9771b8a57 at mail.gmail.com> "Josh Luthman" <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com> writes:
I have always preferred horizontal logos myself...
Me too. It integrates much better on the web page (at least
until that design is also reworked completely).
I tried putting it on the demo website http://www.xymon.com/
Not bad - we need to work a bit on getting the menu aligned
correctly, but this could work.
(If there's anyone out there with some web-design abilities,
please speak up!)
Regards,
Henrik
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On Tuesday 11 November 2008, Josh Luthman wrote:
I have always preferred horizontal logos myself... It depends, for a horizontal menu -> horizontal logo. For favicon -> square, and sometimes vertical is beter. I think it is better to have different versions of the same logo so you can choose the logo that's suites best.
Stef
Only issue with this one is that it seems to imply the name is XYOmon...I like the traffic light Richard Wachter sent out earlier...especially if the green could be made to be "lit".
=G=
From: John Turner [mailto:ukcsgrad89 at mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:08 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: SV: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Mathias Carlsson wrote:
Hi!
Try set it like this:
(X) (Y) M(O)N
And it might strike the eye a little better...
/Mathias
Okay here is the change.
John [cid:image001.png at 01C94424.A947B490]
I am even thinking the "MON" in the horizontal one should be all green background. So you have red background "X", yellow background "Y" and green background "MON".
It is more green than yellow or red because it works better :)
Thoughts?
'Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.' --Yogi Berra
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Galen Johnson <Galen.Johnson at sas.com>wrote:
Only issue with this one is that it seems to imply the name is XYOmon...I like the traffic light Richard Wachter sent out earlier...especially if the green could be made to be "lit".
=G=
*From:* John Turner [mailto:ukcsgrad89 at mac.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:08 PM *To:* hobbit at hswn.dk *Subject:* Re: SV: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Mathias Carlsson wrote:
Hi!
Try set it like this:
(X) (Y) M(O)N
And it might strike the eye a little better...
/Mathias
Okay here is the change.
John
I like the second (not so big). It try to put it on the right corner (on the left corner the company logo). It will be nice put it near a traffic lights gifs ( attacched).
For example this is my header:
<!-- The favicon image --> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="&BBSKIN/favicon-&BBBACKGROUND.ico">
</HEAD>
<BODY BGCOLOR="&BBBACKGROUND" BACKGROUND="&BBSKIN/bkg-&BBBACKGROUND.gif" TEXT="#D8D8BF" LINK="#00FFAA" VLINK="#FFFF44">
<TABLE SUMMARY="Topline" WIDTH="100%"> <TR><TD HEIGHT=16> </TD></TR> <!-- For the menu bar --> <TR> <td> <div align=left><img SRC="/gifs/logo_regione.gif" align=ABSCENTER> </TD> <td> <div align=right><img SRC="/gifs/anlighta.gif" align=ABSCENTER> <b><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font color="#FFFF00"></font></font></b><img SRC="/gifs/xymon4.png" align=ABSCENTER> </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD COLSPAN=3> <HR COLOR="&BBBACKGROUND" WIDTH="100%"> </TD> </TR> </TABLE> <div align=right><FONT FACE="Arial, Helvetica" SIZE="-1" COLOR="yellow"><B>Aggiornato: &BBDATE</B></FONT> <BR>
What about change also the header background to black, and the color/size menu to yellow ?
M.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turner" <ukcsgrad89 at mac.com> To: <hobbit at hswn.dk> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:10 AM Subject: Re: SV: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
Here are a few more variations.....
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After talking with some co-workers (one of which has been involved in
a good amount of design work) I came up with this new design....
That one is good as well, xymon10.png by John Turner. A couple of things though:
- Probably should have a black background and white lettering
- The colours on the diamond, could be more in-line with Hobbit colours (green, yellow, red, blue, purple...)
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:17 AM, John Turner <ukcsgrad89 at mac.com> wrote:
After talking with some co-workers (one of which has been involved in a good amount of design work) I came up with this new design....
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I was just going to comment that myself. The black lettering will not work with a transparent background as the background of (most) Xymon pages are black.
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Geoff Hallford <geoff.hallford at gmail.com>wrote:
That one is good as well, xymon10.png by John Turner. A couple of things though:
- Probably should have a black background and white lettering
- The colours on the diamond, could be more in-line with Hobbit colours (green, yellow, red, blue, purple...)
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:17 AM, John Turner <ukcsgrad89 at mac.com> wrote:
After talking with some co-workers (one of which has been involved in a good amount of design work) I came up with this new design....
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Paul's image is pretty good too - follows the suit of Hob...xymon liking things green.
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Paul Backer <pdb4018 at bjc.org> wrote:
I like green!
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:-)
.. me too ...
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Paul Backer wrote:
I like green!
Paul D. Backer BJC HealthCare
Gruss
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I am a fan as well :)
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Martin Flemming <martin.flemming at desy.de>wrote:
:-)
.. me too ...
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Paul Backer wrote:
I like green!
Paul D. Backer BJC HealthCare
Gruss
Martin Flemming
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very nice! M. ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Hallford To: hobbit at hswn.dk Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:18 AM Subject: Re: SV: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
I am a fan as well :)
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Martin Flemming <martin.flemming at desy.de> wrote:
:-)
.. me too ...
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Paul Backer wrote:
I like green!
Paul D. Backer
BJC HealthCare
Gruss
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hobbit-unsubscribe at hswn.dkThat is very nice!
-Jason
From: Paul Backer [mailto:pdb4018 at bjc.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:45 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: SV: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
I like green!
Paul D. Backer BJC HealthCare
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Wow, thats really nice!
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-----Original Message----- From: Paul Backer [mailto:pdb4018 at bjc.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:45 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: SV: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
I like green!
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I did this without looking at too many of the others, looks like some people had the same idea... anywhoo:
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Wow, thats really nice!
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How about one with each color that could be swapped when the back ground color changes?
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I did this without looking at too many of the others, looks like some people had the same idea... anywhoo:
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I like green!
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Okay last time (at least for today)....
Attached are little concept sketches (poorly drawn in Windows Paint, I'm not an artist) integrating the M/N letters with the design. "xymonb" has all letters black, "xymonn" is an attempt at neon. (I don't know what fonts have a "y" that looks like a rotated "h".)
Just throwing the idea out there...
Perhaps, with the lights horizontal, applying color-blindness shaping would be better (assuming that isn't patented/trademarked and might soon [haha] become a standard). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Colourblind_traffic_signal.JPG
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Galen Johnson <Galen.Johnson at sas.com> wrote:
Only issue with this one is that it seems to imply the name is XYOmon...I like the traffic light Richard Wachter sent out earlier...especially if the green could be made to be "lit".
Great, we now have two designs to consider from
http://hobbitmon.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/hobbitmon/sandbox/tjyang/docs/lo...
tj
From: michael nemeth Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:41 AM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
Not bad , Eye catching but not to "cute" . John Turner wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Jackson [mailto:Andrew.Jackson at ordnancesurvey.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 09:06 > To: hobbit at hswn.dk
> Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon Logo ?
>
> I have these mad(/awful) ideas sometimes so I might as well air my
> insanity
>
> We have the red/amber/green traffic light colours for display
>
> So some sort of traffic light logo with
>
> X imposed on the red light - we don't want that
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> Y imposed on the amber light - we need to know why its amber
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> And MON with the O as the green light.
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> Someone with some artistic sensibilities could come up with the actual
> look.
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> Right I'll crawl back under my stone nowHere is a quick try.....
participants (34)
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Andrew.Jackson＠ordnancesurvey.co.uk
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bobby.lopez＠gmail.com
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Brian-Bouchard＠idexx.com
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Dan.McDonald＠austinenergy.com
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Galen.Johnson＠sas.com
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geoff.hallford＠gmail.com
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goldfndr＠gmail.com
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greg.hubbard＠eds.com
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gumby3203＠gmail.com
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henrik＠hswn.dk
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jason＠hands4christ.org
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john.d.turner＠mac.com
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josh＠imaginenetworksllc.com
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Larry.Sherman＠rbsgc.com
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marco.avvisano＠regione.toscana.it
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martin.flemming＠desy.de
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mathew.sanu＠gmail.com
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Mathias.Carlsson＠systeam.se
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michael.nemeth＠lmco.com
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pdb4018＠bjc.org
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pmeech＠gmail.com
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pwilliamson＠mtb.com
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ralphmitchell＠gmail.com
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rich＠richwachter.com
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robertholden＠gmail.com
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rsmrcina＠wi.rr.com
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sigurdur＠raforninn.is
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stef.coene＠docum.org
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Thomas.Kern＠hq.doe.gov
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tj_yang＠hotmail.com
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ukcsgrad89＠mac.com
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vadud3＠gmail.com
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Vernon.Everett＠woodside.com.au
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wayne＠flashmedia.co.za