If anyone else is interested, I've just submitted some new images for Xymon. I created them so that my manager takes me seriously when I do a presentation on the new monitoring solution. Smilies are amusing but aren't really applicable in a corporate environment.
Click on the download link at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=12....
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These are great! Excellent job! Thanks!
-Jason
-----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Hunter [mailto:malcolm.hunter at gmx.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:55 PM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: [hobbit] LED Theme for Xymon
If anyone else is interested, I've just submitted some new images for Xymon. I created them so that my manager takes me seriously when I do a presentation on the new monitoring solution. Smilies are amusing but aren't really applicable in a corporate environment.
Click on the download link at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=12 8058&atid=710490.
Malcolm
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Link doesn't work for me...but it could be my phone.
Can you provide a screenshot by chance?
On 3/7/09, Malcolm Hunter <malcolm.hunter at gmx.co.uk> wrote:
If anyone else is interested, I've just submitted some new images for Xymon. I created them so that my manager takes me seriously when I do a presentation on the new monitoring solution. Smilies are amusing but aren't really applicable in a corporate environment.
Click on the download link at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=12....
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Malcolm Hunter schrieb:
If anyone else is interested, I've just submitted some new images for Xymon. I created them so that my manager takes me seriously when I do a presentation on the new monitoring solution. Smilies are amusing but aren't really applicable in a corporate environment.
Excellent work, Malcolm. Thanks.
Regards, Dirk
Yeah, really nice !
cheers, martin
On Sat, 7 Mar 2009, Malcolm Hunter wrote:
If anyone else is interested, I've just submitted some new images for Xymon. I created them so that my manager takes me seriously when I do a presentation on the new monitoring solution. Smilies are amusing but aren't really applicable in a corporate environment.
Click on the download link at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=12....
Malcolm
Nice.
Only thing I do not like is the blinking 'green-recent' Green is good, and should not be so annoying... So I just copied the normal green one over it :) Not quite what I want either, but better than blinking.
I'd suggest having just a difference in brightness (tone) between green.gif and green-recent.gif. You want to be able to tell the difference, but it does not require attention.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Malcolm Hunter [mailto:malcolm.hunter at gmx.co.uk] Verzonden: zaterdag 7 maart 2009 21:55 Aan: hobbit at hswn.dk Onderwerp: [hobbit] LED Theme for Xymon
If anyone else is interested, I've just submitted some new images for Xymon. I created them so that my manager takes me seriously when I do a presentation on the new monitoring solution. Smilies are amusing but aren't really applicable in a corporate environment.
Click on the download link at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=12....
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Nice.
Only thing I do not like is the blinking 'green-recent' Green is good, and should not be so annoying... So I just copied the normal green one over it :) Not quite what I want either, but better than blinking.
I'd suggest having just a difference in brightness (tone) between green.gif and green-recent.gif. You want to be able to tell the difference, but it does not require attention.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Malcolm Hunter [mailto:malcolm.hunter at gmx.co.uk] Verzonden: zaterdag 7 maart 2009 21:55 Aan: hobbit at hswn.dk Onderwerp: [hobbit] LED Theme for Xymon
If anyone else is interested, I've just submitted some new images for Xymon. I created them so that my manager takes me seriously when I do a presentation on the new monitoring solution. Smilies are amusing but aren't really applicable in a corporate environment.
Click on the download link at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=12....
Malcolm
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Same thing on my side. The theme is nice, and seems to be more "corporate compliant" than original theme. But blinking green is horrible, my xymon page looks like a christmas tree :)
Only thing I do not like is the blinking 'green-recent' Green is good, and should not be so annoying... So I just copied the normal green one over it :) Not quite what I want either, but better than blinking.
I'd suggest having just a difference in brightness (tone) between green.gif and green-recent.gif. You want to be able to tell the difference, but it does not require attention.
Thanks for your feedback guys, you're not the only ones who mentioned that. I'll change the green one to a static bright LED.
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Hello all,
Great job Malcom, thank you!
Malcolm Hunter wrote Thanks for your feedback guys, you're not the only ones who mentioned that. I'll change the green one to a static bright LED.
And what about a "diamond" LED like for the standard theme?
Have a great day.
Gaëtan
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Is there anyone who knows how to do a static compile of the xymon client? We have some production servers running HP-unix 64bit, and the vendor doesn't want us to install the compile environment and necessary requirements for compiling a client. We have tried to do a standard compile externally, but after copying, it fails to run due to some missing .so files.
Øyvind
Øyvind,
Is there anyone who knows how to do a static compile of the xymon client? We have some production servers running HP-unix 64bit, and the vendor doesn't want us to install the compile environment and necessary requirements for compiling a client. We have tried to do a standard compile externally, but after copying, it fails to run due to some missing .so files.
I built a statically linked version. I found that I had to edit the Makefile in the client directory. LDFLAGS doesn't get passed to the linker.
I built a client RPM for VMware ESX 3.5. It has an older glibc than Centos 4.7 which was my build environment. The only binary that I needed to statically link was logfetch since it uses regex functions not in the earlier library, all the others still worked.
David.
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Read this:
http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=42490&...
Lars
----- Original Message ----- From: <oyvind.bjorge at telenor.com> To: <hobbit at hswn.dk> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: [hobbit] Static compile
Is there anyone who knows how to do a static compile of the xymon client? We have some production servers running HP-unix 64bit, and the vendor doesn't want us to install the compile environment and necessary requirements for compiling a client. We have tried to do a standard compile externally, but after copying, it fails to run due to some missing .so files.
Øyvind
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I think I found the solution. I have not tested the software yet, but the compiling seems good. The files is much bigger, and they are static linked:
file bb
bb: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, statically linked, not stripped
The solution was as simple as I first hoped for. After running the configure script, I edited the Makefile. Adding the following line before last line: CFLAGS = -static
The reason why it didn't work the first time is since I had compiled from the same location before, I had to run touch on all .c files.
Øyvind
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Read this:
http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=42490&...
Lars
----- Original Message ----- From: <oyvind.bjorge at telenor.com> To: <hobbit at hswn.dk> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:53 PM Subject: [hobbit] Static compile
Is there anyone who knows how to do a static compile of the xymon client? We have some production servers running HP-unix 64bit, and the vendor doesn't want us to install the compile environment and necessary requirements for compiling a client. We have tried to do a standard compile externally, but after copying, it fails to run due to some missing .so files.
Øyvind
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Thanks for your feedback guys, you're not the only ones who mentioned that. I'll change the green one to a static bright LED.
Okay, I have uploaded the replacement for the green recent LED.
Same URL: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=1...
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Malcolm,
Very useful and professional theme. Good work.
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I've also added a modern LED theme for those who prefer "square" LEDs to round ones.
The URL again: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=12...
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Very good theme ! Very good work ! Thank you very much. Cheers,
ThomaS
Malcolm Hunter a écrit :
I've also added a modern LED theme for those who prefer "square" LEDs to round ones.
The URL again: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=12...
Regards, Malcolm
Remember that the single most common form of color-blindness is red-green; there should be a shape difference between the two.
Tom
-----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Hunter [mailto:malcolm.hunter at gmx.co.uk] Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:50 AM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: [hobbit] Another Theme (was Re: [hobbit] LED Theme for Xymon)
I've also added a modern LED theme for those who prefer "square" LEDs to round ones.
The URL again: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=12...
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I have just installed a xymon server. This receives data from local client. I have an old bb-client on a second server that reports data to it. I have also installed a xymon client on another server. I see via tcp-dump on xymon server that it receives data from it, but I can't see the data anywhere. No indication in the logs either.
Any ideas why this data does not come into the xymon server?
Øyvind
Does bb-hosts include the name of the client?
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On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:31 AM, <oyvind.bjorge at telenor.com> wrote:
I have just installed a xymon server. This receives data from local client. I have an old bb-client on a second server that reports data to it. I have also installed a xymon client on another server. I see via tcp-dump on xymon server that it receives data from it, but I can't see the data anywhere. No indication in the logs either.
Any ideas why this data does not come into the xymon server?
Øyvind
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Thank you! You are correct. The bb-client is sending with FQDN. The hobbit-client is reporting only its hostname, because when I created an entry in the bb-hostfile on the server without domainname, it worked. I found out that this is set by the MACHINEDOTS variable in the ./runclient.sh startup script on the client. So now I use it with domain name again. Only thing I find a little strange is that I could not see this in any logs on the server. It should be possible to see the servers that reports with a name that not matches the bb-hosts file. Probably I'm just not looking at the right place....
Øyvind
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Does bb-hosts include the name of the client?
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On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 11:31 AM, <oyvind.bjorge at telenor.com<mailto:oyvind.bjorge at telenor.com>> wrote: I have just installed a xymon server. This receives data from local client. I have an old bb-client on a second server that reports data to it. I have also installed a xymon client on another server. I see via tcp-dump on xymon server that it receives data from it, but I can't see the data anywhere. No indication in the logs either.
Any ideas why this data does not come into the xymon server?
Øyvind
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<oyvind.bjorge at telenor.com> writes:
Only thing I find a little strange is that I could not see this in any logs on the server. It should be possible to see the servers that reports with a name that not matches the bb-hosts file. Probably I'm just not looking at the right place....
http://hobbitmon.sourceforge.net/docs/man1/hobbit-ghosts.cgi.1.html
(It's in the "Reports" menu).
- Kristian.
At my installation the hobbit-ghosts.cgi don't seem to work. It is probably related to that I compiled xymon someware else, and copied it to my server. I see that it reffers to the old path even if I can't find this configured anywhere. I tried to create a link named as the original xymon-homedir to the homedir on the correct one. Then the error message dissapared, but still it don't list any ghosts. The webpage is all blue (nothing black) and listing: Failed to retrieve ghostlist from server. I see after now that the hobbitd test have a list of Ghost reports.
Øyvind
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<oyvind.bjorge at telenor.com> writes:
Only thing I find a little strange is that I could not see this in any logs on the server. It should be possible to see the servers that reports with a name that not matches the bb-hosts file. Probably I'm just not looking at the right place....
http://hobbitmon.sourceforge.net/docs/man1/hobbit-ghosts.cgi.1.html
(It's in the "Reports" menu).
- Kristian.
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On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 12:49 +0100, oyvind.bjorge at telenor.com wrote:
At my installation the hobbit-ghosts.cgi don't seem to work. It is probably related to that I compiled xymon someware else, and copied it to my server. I see that it reffers to the old path even if I can't find this configured anywhere.
It's hardcoded in lib/environ.c this patch fixed it for me (watch line wraps): diff -urN xymon-4.3.0-beta1/lib/environ.c xymon-4.3.0-beta1-djm/lib/environ.c --- xymon-4.3.0-beta1/lib/environ.c 2009-02-08 11:42:13.000000000 -0600 +++ xymon-4.3.0-beta1-djm/lib/environ.c 2009-03-09 12:01:30.000000000 -0500 @@ -31,9 +31,9 @@ { "BBSERVERIP", BBHOSTIP }, { "BBSERVEROS", BBHOSTOS }, { "BBSERVERWWWNAME", BBHOSTNAME }, - { "BBSERVERWWWURL", "/hobbit" }, - { "BBSERVERCGIURL", "/hobbit-cgi" }, - { "BBSERVERSECCGIURL", "/hobbit-cgisecure" }, + { "BBSERVERWWWURL", "/xymon" }, + { "BBSERVERCGIURL", "/xymon-cgi" }, + { "BBSERVERSECCGIURL", "/xymon-cgisecure" }, { "BBLOCATION", "" }, { "PATH", "/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:"BUILD_HOME"/bin" }, { "BBPORT", "1984" },
I tried to create a link named as the original xymon-homedir to the homedir on the correct one. Then the error message dissapared, but still it don't list any ghosts. The webpage is all blue (nothing black) and listing: Failed to retrieve ghostlist from server. I see after now that the hobbitd test have a list of Ghost reports.
Now, if I could only fix the bb-hostsvc.sh script - it segfaults on me, and I have no idea how to figure out why. -- Daniel J McDonald, CCIE #2495, CISSP #78281, CNX Austin Energy http://www.austinenergy.com
If your Xymon page is visible from the general web you can use this tool...
http://colorfilter.wickline.org/
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Remember that the single most common form of color-blindness is red-green; there should be a shape difference between the two.
Tom
-----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Hunter [mailto:malcolm.hunter at gmx.co.uk] Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:50 AM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: [hobbit] Another Theme (was Re: [hobbit] LED Theme for Xymon)
I've also added a modern LED theme for those who prefer "square" LEDs to round ones.
The URL again: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=12...
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Remember that the single most common form of color-blindness is red-green; there should be a shape difference between the two.
I'd suggest raising that as a bug report for the Xymon project as the background image doesn't change shape either.
For the status images, I suppose one could use a combination of round and square LEDs.
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I've also added replacement favicons. I had to clear my browser cache and restart IE a couple of times to get the new icons to be picked up.
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Datum: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:50:20 +0100 Von: "Malcolm Hunter" <malcolm.hunter at gmx.co.uk> An: hobbit at hswn.dk Betreff: [hobbit] Another Theme (was Re: [hobbit] LED Theme for Xymon)
I've also added a modern LED theme for those who prefer "square" LEDs to round ones.
The URL again: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=12...
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I've also added replacement favicons. I had to clear my browser cache and restart IE a couple of times to get the new icons to be picked up.
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Datum: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:50:20 +0100 Von: "Malcolm Hunter" <malcolm.hunter at gmx.co.uk> An: hobbit at hswn.dk Betreff: [hobbit] Another Theme (was Re: [hobbit] LED Theme for Xymon)
I've also added a modern LED theme for those who prefer "square" LEDs to round ones.
The URL again: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=12...
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Thanks again for your contribution. I don't have many time, so I submit a request, if you can't/don't want to do it, i'll try to take time. I think the colors are something good, but not enough. We should use a set of icons more easy to interpert : empty green circle : recent green full filled green circle : green blinking red cross (oriented like an X) : recent red red cross (oriented like an X) : red blinking purple "?" : recente purple purple "?" : recente purple Blue and purple are less important for me. What do you think about this idea ? May be the purple and red difference between recent and non-recent should be other than the one I described, but I can't get time enough to mind about it ;)
These are great!
I'd love to see another icon for !tests. Perhaps a red or green (/)
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Malcolm Hunter a écrit :
I've also added replacement favicons. I had to clear my browser cache and restart IE a couple of times to get the new icons to be picked up.
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Datum: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:50:20 +0100 Von: "Malcolm Hunter" <malcolm.hunter at gmx.co.uk> An: hobbit at hswn.dk Betreff: [hobbit] Another Theme (was Re: [hobbit] LED Theme for Xymon)
I've also added a modern LED theme for those who prefer "square" LEDs to round ones.
The URL again:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=12...
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Thanks again for your contribution. I don't have many time, so I submit a request, if you can't/don't want to do it, i'll try to take time. I think the colors are something good, but not enough. We should use a set of icons more easy to interpert : empty green circle : recent green full filled green circle : green blinking red cross (oriented like an X) : recent red red cross (oriented like an X) : red blinking purple "?" : recente purple purple "?" : recente purple Blue and purple are less important for me. What do you think about this idea ? May be the purple and red difference between recent and non-recent should be other than the one I described, but I can't get time enough to mind about it ;)
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I'd love to see another icon for !tests. Perhaps a red or green (/)
I'm not familiar with those. Is that an additional feature or something in 4.3?
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These are now in there proper place on Xymonton, including a screenshot of the "Modern LED" theme.
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This is changing into a genral discussion about colors and icons, I think...
Let's just use the Sony playstation icons? ;)
But seriously:
In general, I only want something to blink that requires immediate attention. And I want things that are in a 'normal' state to be pretty blended into the background.
Less noise.
But to accommodate for people with color-blindness, as well as inform others about functions of certain colors is not a bad idea at all.
Let me first phrase what I personally would like each state to be like.
To me, the longterm green state should be something that almost blends into the background. The recent green should only differentiate from it's normal state, but hardly be noticed among other colors. It is the good thing to have, so it needs to be unobtrusive.
The recent blue state, I would assume is set by a colleague or myself for a reason, so it also should blend in the background. However, if a blue state is staying for a while, I want someone to notice and check up on it, to see if this is correct.
A recently red state should attract my attention, as well as a recent yellow state. But a longterm red state should practically be screaming at me and be as annoying as possible! Also a longterm yellow state should encourage me to make the problem go away. So all of these should at least have some form of blinking or movement to catch your eye, maybe slow breathing for the first 24 hours, then fast and at irregular intervals when they stay for too long.
Purple I have my doubts about. Of course it's bad when a check does not function properly. But at least to me, it basically only means someone forgot to start the hobbit/xymon client ;) I personally don't need much blinking annoyance here, but I may be missing out on something.
And the 'clear' state is a complete puzzle to me. It gets used in the 'badtest' as a transient state before yellow, but also for checks that are not configured (for example in a 'files' check with no files configured). In the latter function I can imagine you want it to attract attention, but in the first I'd have made it go to yellow if I wanted it to attract attention. I have no solution for this.
And the unknown state being a questionmark seems pretty obvious.
As for the shapes that these checks should have, and even different shapes for different states, so colorblind people can tell something is going on:
I'd say just simple nice soft round shapes for green. Dark and bright should be noticeable for colorblind. Yellow is a danger thing, and very many countries use triangles or diamond shapes to indicate danger in roadsigns. That is probably the way to go. Red and things that are very dangerous are often associates with thick crosses (X-shape if you like) Somehow I feel like a starshape would be nice for the purple states, but can't really explain it. And a square seems appropriate for the 'clear' (white/grey) one to me. And of course the questionmark for the 'unknown'. Its just very appropriate for this state that should not occur.
That's just my 2 cents.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dOCtoR MADneSs [mailto:doctor at makelofine.org] Verzonden: maandag 9 maart 2009 17:05 Aan: hobbit at hswn.dk Onderwerp: Re: [hobbit] Another Theme (was Re: [hobbit] LED Theme for Xymon)
Thanks again for your contribution. I don't have many time, so I submit a request, if you can't/don't want to do it, i'll try to take time. I think the colors are something good, but not enough. We should use a set of icons more easy to interpert : empty green circle : recent green full filled green circle : green blinking red cross (oriented like an X) : recent red red cross (oriented like an X) : red blinking purple "?" : recente purple purple "?" : recente purple Blue and purple are less important for me. What do you think about this idea ? May be the purple and red difference between recent and non-recent should be other than the one I described, but I can't get time enough to mind about it ;)
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-----Original Message----- From: Kip, D. - GDI/SNB [mailto:d.kip at gdi.minjus.nl] Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:52 AM To: hobbit at hswn.dk Subject: RE: [hobbit] Hobbit colors/icons
A recently red state should attract my attention, as well as a recent yellow state. But a longterm red state should practically be screaming at me and be as annoying as possible! Also a longterm yellow state should encourage me to make the problem go away. So all of these should at least have some form of blinking or movement to catch your eye, maybe slow breathing for the first 24 hours, then fast and at irregular intervals when they stay for too long.
[Cleaver, J.C.] Perhaps we're thinking too discretely on this. How about an SVG-generated (or pick of many pre-generated images) on a continuum of noticability? For example, a recently OK service could be based around a bright green -say, #00FF00- which slowly changes over the course of the next 24-48 hours to a #339933 icon (or whatever the background color is). Instead of simply "important" and "static" icons, let the display generator gradually modify the annoyance of a given problem.
Purple I have my doubts about. Of course it's bad when a check does
not
function properly. But at least to me, it basically only means someone forgot to start the hobbit/xymon client ;) I personally don't need much blinking annoyance here, but I may be missing out on something.
[Cleaver, J.C.] I agree that that's usually the only problem, but I think it's definitely something that should be given annoyance. In my experience, a "dead client" is often just waiting on something; caused by either a disk full condition, a hung NFS mount, or something else I do actually care about. But even if it died for no reason, that's still a "blind spot" in your monitoring and is IMHO dangerous.
-jc
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Kip, D. - GDI/SNB wrote:
In general, I only want something to blink that requires immediate attention. And I want things that are in a 'normal' state to be pretty blended into the background.
Personally, I find blinking icons to be quite a problem. I usually have a tab open on my browser on the bb2.html page, and the blinking icons can cause major problems for the CPU on some devices (especially my Atom based netbook, or other low power devices). Previously I replaced my icons with the nb (non-blinking) versions, but just thought I might add my voice to the discussion on avoiding animated icons for any state...
ie, I monitor all my customer DSL connections, but when some major supplier goes offline, I end up with a stack of red status on my screen, so 200 red flashing animated icons causes a lot of CPU consumption (or so it seems)....
I really like the idea of using slowly changing colours, though perhaps it should be very bright immediately, fade to 50% over the next x hours, and then go back to very bright... ie, it should start obvious (your disk just failed, panic now!) and then if you don't react, then it probably isn't so important (fades), if it has been bad for a long time, then it should get brighter/more annoying again. This could be done without images by using the HTML graphics as seen in the history graphs (history uptime). Then you just need a config to say start at #xxxxxx and move to #yyyyyy over xx minutes and then move to #zzzzzz over yy minutes and then stay there....
BTW, I wonder if HTML flash uses less CPU than animated images....
Regards, Adam
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I've been jiggling about a bit with the gifs for the round LED theme. We decided we did not like any blinking green, blue and purple. But we did want to see difference between stuff that's old and stuff that's recent.
So I darkened the green.gif, and brightened it for green-recent.gif And did the opposite for blue. Dark blue is recent (and requires no attention), bright is longtime blue(more likely to require attention).
Purple may follow soon, but we didn't see many of those, and I actually had work to get done...
Don't know if attaching them will work, but I'll try.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Malcolm Hunter [mailto:malcolm.hunter at gmx.co.uk] Verzonden: zaterdag 7 maart 2009 21:55 Aan: hobbit at hswn.dk Onderwerp: [hobbit] LED Theme for Xymon
If anyone else is interested, I've just submitted some new images for Xymon. I created them so that my manager takes me seriously when I do a presentation on the new monitoring solution. Smilies are amusing but aren't really applicable in a corporate environment.
Click on the download link at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2671788&group_id=12....
Malcolm
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bart.gillis@msp.be
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d.kip@gdi.minjus.nl
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Dan.McDonald@austinenergy.com
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david.baldwin@ausport.gov.au
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Dirk.Kastens@uni-osnabrueck.de
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doctor@makelofine.org
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dominique.frise@unil.ch
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eric.j.boyd@gmail.com
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Gaetan.Frenoy@solvay.com
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jason@hands4christ.org
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jcleaver@soe.sony.com
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josh@imaginenetworksllc.com
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KauffmanT@nibco.com
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knielsen@knielsen-hq.org
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lars.ebeling@leopg9.no-ip.org
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mailinglists@websitemanagers.com.au
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malcolm.hunter@gmx.co.uk
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martin.flemming@desy.de
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oyvind.bjorge@telenor.com
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tsg@bluekiwi-software.com